I'm not interested in going back and forth with you, so lets drop some of those ideological topics and go back to where this discussion began.Â
1) You imply the character design is a reflection of how woman perceive and idealise themselves. Thus female and male characters are equivalents and equals in how they're created.
You: "people who are infested with the equality doctrine just dishonesty hand wave this away as "male power fantasy" without acknowledging that to be sexy and to be desired is an ideal for women just as much as being strong and powerful is an ideal for men"
I argue character design of both male and female characters is about male fantasy primarily and thus is unbalanced. I challenge your notion by asking you how female characters derived from a female team would look. By your logic, it would be just as sexualised because woman's fantasy's are to be desired.
Me: "How would a predominantly female team design their rooster of female characters?"
You: "i don't care, i'm not a sexist so it doesn't matter to me what sex a designer is"
......As a non-sexist maybe we can put more stock on arguments brought up actual woman and look to their own works for examples of how they'd like to be represented.
2. Yes sexualisation is about intent, and it is distinct from "sexuality".
You: "you seem to be arguing here that sexuality is about intent"
Sexuality is not about intent but sexualisation is, no one is trying to dictate your sexuality. I'm sure you're understand "sexualisation" in another context. Its a not problem that a video game has young underage characters in traditional swimwear during a beach scene. Its a problem that the camera pivots up their legs to sexualise them or that the designers alter the design of the swimwear to introduce a sexual context, sexualisation is the attempt to present something as a sexual object. In the less extreme case, we're looking at adult characters like SF5, its absolutely fair that people may find it off putting that all female character seem to first be designed around being objectified as sexual objects.Â
Now when discussing adult characters, that can be ok, there's a time and place for everything. It doesn't have to be that serious. But then please don't make arguments that the male characters are designed with equal mentality in mind or reducing valid critic to "toxic femininity".
"I argue character design of both male and female characters is about male fantasy primarily and thus is unbalanced."
lol so tell me why are the kardassians, rhianna, nicky minaj etc etc etc for example idolosed by women? you think its men giving them their fame and prominence?
all of these women share the same body types we see in games as being ideal and use them unabashedly to generate their fame
so if i'm understanding your argument correctly, you don't actually believe women have an ideal physical form they generally aspire to become?
"I challenge your notion by asking you how female characters derived from a female team would look."
which is not necessary since we can look at the women that are brought most to prominence in the public by women as i have done above
i don't know of any female design teams and i don't care to know of any
"By your logic, it would be just as sexualised because woman's fantasy's are to be desired."
and again i'm asking you to define what exactly sexualised means
are you speaking of wearing less or no clothing?
does that means therefore that women sexualise themselves when taking showers?
does that means that when kim kardassian takes an almost naked photo of herself and puts it on the net that she is sexualising herself?
i honestly do not understand how anyone with any presence of mind thinks that word means something
"As a non-sexist maybe we can put more stock on arguments brought up actual woman and look to their own works for examples of how they'd like to be represented."
for one thing i could quite easily list female artists that draw half naked or naked women as their work
but regardless that doesn't make any sense, if you want to condense down the general motivations of a group, you need to look at the behavior of that group
which is why i say we look at how women present themselves and who they idolise as what they aspire to be
how many female scientists do you know of? can you list 5? why is that?
i guess that's the patriarchy working even though kim kardassian has like 1 billion followers
"Yes sexualisation is about intent, and it is distinct from "sexuality""
and how do you assess intent in this context?
"the camera pivots up their legs to sexualise them"
first off i never spoke about underage people so i'm going to state clearly right now that i'm talking about adults
why is a camera panning up the legs of a woman a problem?
" its absolutely fair that people may find it off putting that all female character seem to first be designed around being objectified as sexual objects."
street fighter is a game where women showcase their fighting abilities, why are you reducing them down to sexual objects?