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Pemalite said:
the-pi-guy said:

They're making 3 big VR games, we know for sure.  

One is heavily rumored to be a Half Life game.  

Definitely not even slightly interested in VR to be honest.

Besides, it doesn't seem like it's gaining much in the way of traction in the gaming sphere anyway?

Yeah, it's slow growth. 

Valve is hoping to expand the market with major games and new hardware.



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Pemalite said:
the-pi-guy said:

They're making 3 big VR games, we know for sure.  

One is heavily rumored to be a Half Life game.  

Definitely not even slightly interested in VR to be honest.

Besides, it doesn't seem like it's gaining much in the way of traction in the gaming sphere anyway?

Neither am I, but at least they are making games, unlike Epic, who have one game, geared towards one demographic. I'm still sitting here waiting for them to god damn finish UT, which they've left to die (huehue). Steam/GoG have more UT games than EGS itself, and that's just sad. 



                                       

Epic game store needs to thrive they can afford a lot of exclusivity I think it's great epic games store is surging forward.

Steam I'd rather have for indies tbh



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Chazore said:
Pemalite said:

Definitely not even slightly interested in VR to be honest.

Besides, it doesn't seem like it's gaining much in the way of traction in the gaming sphere anyway?

Neither am I, but at least they are making games, unlike Epic, who have one game, geared towards one demographic. I'm still sitting here waiting for them to god damn finish UT, which they've left to die (huehue). Steam/GoG have more UT games than EGS itself, and that's just sad. 

Also, cancelling Paragon is a sting that just doesn't let up!



                                                                                                                                            

Chazore said:
Bristow9091 said:

Can't say I understand the reasoning behind this post, seems like you're just here to mock my opinion on the matter, which I must say I don't appreciate. 

Am I supposed to appreciate your lack of willing to understand this situation?. Not being mean, but you're likely to see it emotionally, but what does "I don't understand this, why should it bother anyone else, do for the topic itself?.

I mean, what does anyone in this thread, that goes "fuck, it's just a PC launcher", have to do with anything, outside of "my opinion is somehow very important, so you should take what I say over whatever logic could come from someone else", because that's what that sounds like to me.

Like, I can very much imagine an exact situation, where these same "I don't care, get over it" people, are going to run into some petty or serious plight in their lives, then the same people they shunned/refused to understand, will repeat what they did back to them, and then that same crowd, that waved them off will get annoyed as all hell and not see the utter hypocrisy that they sowed. Absolutely 100% guarantee it, because it happens everyday in life that it's become a living comedy show. 

Maybe I should've worded my post better, or added more to it actually, truth be told it was made during my very short break at work and wasn't exactly meant to spark a discussion but more of a passing opinion, although I'm here replying now and I'd be happy to elaborate.

People are entitled to their opinions, and whether they agree or disagree with me, I really don't mind as long as they're up for an actual discussion... maybe you'll be able to change my mind on the situation, maybe not, but here goes;

I know that EGS is lacking in so many areas when compared to Steam (and other launchers I'd assume, but let's keep this between EGS and Steam). I also know that the whole timed exclusive thing is a downer for some people. However, for someone such as myself who literally ONLY buys and plays games via launchers and doesn't jump into the other aspects of Steam/EGS/Insert Launcher; the issue is not as big for me personally. Yes, there are other aspects like cloud saves and friends lists (Or whatever features are missing, I don't use the launchers extensively enough to know what should and shouldn't be there) as well that are missing but in time those will also be added and don't bother me mainly because most of the games I'm interested in on EGS (and Steam) are single player experiences that I can't see myself gaining any benefit from by having these additional features around. 

I definitely understand these things might be more important for others and I'm sorry if my post read in a way that devalued those views, maybe the comparison to console exclusivity was a little out there, but I'm very open to being informed about any other problems people have (As Basil has already done) and deciding for myself if it makes a difference for me personally.

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For me i dont use epic is because i cane buy games from only shoo like greenman gaming and use the keys and upload to epic like u can with steam. Which means i am force to pay their price on their shop which is expensive.



Bristow9091 said:

Maybe I should've worded my post better, or added more to it actually, truth be told it was made during my very short break at work and wasn't exactly meant to spark a discussion but more of a passing opinion, although I'm here replying now and I'd be happy to elaborate.

People are entitled to their opinions, and whether they agree or disagree with me, I really don't mind as long as they're up for an actual discussion... maybe you'll be able to change my mind on the situation, maybe not, but here goes;

I know that EGS is lacking in so many areas when compared to Steam (and other launchers I'd assume, but let's keep this between EGS and Steam). I also know that the whole timed exclusive thing is a downer for some people. However, for someone such as myself who literally ONLY buys and plays games via launchers and doesn't jump into the other aspects of Steam/EGS/Insert Launcher; the issue is not as big for me personally. Yes, there are other aspects like cloud saves and friends lists (Or whatever features are missing, I don't use the launchers extensively enough to know what should and shouldn't be there) as well that are missing but in time those will also be added and don't bother me mainly because most of the games I'm interested in on EGS (and Steam) are single player experiences that I can't see myself gaining any benefit from by having these additional features around. 

I definitely understand these things might be more important for others and I'm sorry if my post read in a way that devalued those views, maybe the comparison to console exclusivity was a little out there, but I'm very open to being informed about any other problems people have (As Basil has already done) and deciding for myself if it makes a difference for me personally.

Wording it differently would have helped, but ultimately, if it's hard to understand the other side of things, then i'd honestly say it's not worth chiming in on. I for example, greatly dislike talking pol talks, because pol talks become an insanely dangerous midfield, where one side can rip you apart, or another taking you under it's wing.

People are entitled to their own opinions for sure, but if said opinion hand waves a situation, but also not trying to understand it, can just come off as passive aggressive/feigning ignorance. 

The issue not being a big deal for you is absolutely fine. There's nothing wrong with you not finding the same issues some of us have in regards to EGS "competing" with Steam. I'm all for competition, but only as long as said competition brings many benefits for us consumers, but also not seeking total destruction of the competition itself (Valve aren't trying to destroy everyone, but EGS wants to cut everyone out and become "the" storefront, not just "another" storefront. Even Jim Sterling knows and says this himself).

The thing is, having those features still brings us a benefit in some form or another. Playing an SP game, but you forgot to save your game in time, or the net cut out?, your latest autosave would have been uploaded beforehand, allowing you to pick up where you last left off. This is especially handy if your own local save files become corrupt/go missing (and this has happened to me a few times over the years). I'm not one for leaderboards, but I know there are people out there that like to be competitive, and that recent burnout game, that's exclusively locked to EGS, does not support leaderboards, which other racing games before it have done, even on consoles.

People seemingly trying to side with Epic, see that these features "aren't important", but also forget (or know and are being utter assholes about it) that because it isn't important to them, doesn't mean it's "objectively non important to everyone else. Tim Sweeney is trying to assert that he is wanting to add some features, but not all the ones Steam sport, let alone everyone else, but at the same time he tries to defend his lack of caring or understanding, and thus just passes it off as "I know what's best for you", and that honestly set for a very passive aggressive tone shift and a bad idea in general. (Consumer service 101: never tell your consumer/customer what's best for them, because they will most likely be met with ire/anger, and people defending that ill practice, are just feeding the cycle).

I think the main issue on here, as well as other sites, is that console gamers are coming in, looking at 3rd party exclusivity deals, as if they are exactly the same as 1st party exclusivity, but they really aren't exactly the same, as one is created from nothing by the platform owner itself, while 3rd parties are made by someone else entirely detached from 1st party platform holders. 

Really, what would be more ideal, is Epic putting greater focus on crafting their own first party, maintaining their cut, keeping it on indefinitely (because I want to see how long Tim can hold onto his word, I honestly want to see the man fall on his own sword, because he talks a big game and people like that are destined to have it blow up in their face at some point), while also keeping up in terms of features and making ones of their own, that could spark the rest of the competition to add those in (like how Origin sparked Steam to go for the current refund system that even EGS has had to implement).



                                       

CGI-Quality said:
Chazore said:

Neither am I, but at least they are making games, unlike Epic, who have one game, geared towards one demographic. I'm still sitting here waiting for them to god damn finish UT, which they've left to die (huehue). Steam/GoG have more UT games than EGS itself, and that's just sad. 

Also, cancelling Paragon is a sting that just doesn't let up!

Part of me wants to hope that they have a planned redevelopment cycle, now that they have a boatload of cash, but the other thought in the back of my mind says they won't, because it's not exactly like FN, and not making them a few billion. I also think the devs behind Quake Champions have given up on that game as well. Arena shooters, like RTS, feel like a dying breed. 



                                       

Chazore said:
Pemalite said:

Definitely not even slightly interested in VR to be honest.

Besides, it doesn't seem like it's gaining much in the way of traction in the gaming sphere anyway?

Neither am I, but at least they are making games, unlike Epic, who have one game, geared towards one demographic. I'm still sitting here waiting for them to god damn finish UT, which they've left to die (huehue). Steam/GoG have more UT games than EGS itself, and that's just sad. 

That Money is being used to buy like five or Six good stores exclusives. They are Smart, they know how to do business. Does people even CARE about first person fast paced shoiter games these days?

When did a game like this crack the first page of twitch?



 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Chazore said:

Neither am I, but at least they are making games, unlike Epic, who have one game, geared towards one demographic. I'm still sitting here waiting for them to god damn finish UT, which they've left to die (huehue). Steam/GoG have more UT games than EGS itself, and that's just sad. 

That Money is being used to buy like five or Six good stores exclusives. They are Smart, they know how to do business. Does people even CARE about first person fast paced shoiter games these days?

When did a game like this crack the first page of twitch?

Good store exclusives?. These are games that will end up on Steam, so it's all temp exclusive based, which isn't better than making your own games, your own hardware, revamping your store with much needed features and generally trying to give the consumers good deals, all of which Epic isn't doing.

I think it's disingenuous to suggest that Valve should make games, despite them making games, but completely excusing Epic from having to make games, sit on just one game to make them bank, and let their store stagnate.

People care about all sorts of games. People loved DOOM back in 2016, as people are hyped for the new upcoming DOOM as well. We're even seeing retro based high paced shooters, that have come out and more along the way. 

Why do we have to excuse one company from not continuing with it's war-chest of IP's, but not the other?. It logically does not make any sense at all here. We're all gamers, not suit execs making cold "calculated" decisions on what to do within the business, which we do not run or even own.