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Barozi said:
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Hi Barozi

Totally understand if you don't wish to answer, but are you able to shed some light on the type of role/industry that gives you that confidence?

I have had many years of what I would term 'secure' employment. But I could still be laid off with a months notice and a bit of a payout.

Well it's sort of a special case but in Germany there are two types of public servants and I'm working as a Beamter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter) and due to that I'm not in a contractual relationship with the state. That means I have special rights (don't have to pay into the social security system, can't be laid off, getting paid at the beginning of the month instead of the end of a month etc.) but also special duties (cannot strike, longer work times than regular public employees etc.).

However even for regular public employees there's a special case according to tarrif where they can't be laid off, but there are quite a few conditions they have to met for that to happen.

Also regarding the point where you could be laid off within a months notice even when you worked for your employer for several years, that also wouldn't be possible in Germany. The maximum would be a 7 month's notice if you worked for more than 20 years for the same employer. Even then you cannot simply be fired as the termination of your contract has to be socially justified. For example, if the employer wants to fire people for economic reasons and you happen to be a single father, he has to fire all childless employees first before he could fire you.

In brazil all public service (that you apply for exam) are for life unless you commit a crime. Only public service that are fired is the ones appointed by politicians and the like, these change after every term when politicians don't win the election and get replaced.,

And @OP

Sorry, but you living in a country with 4% unemployment rate, and claiming to have sent over 1000 applications with not a single answer (even if negative) is very hard to believe.

If you were in a place with 30% unemployment rate I could believe more.

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Yes I did. For 7-8 months I couldn't get a job having graduated with a Masters. Now after 5 years in the same position, I've moved on but as you say it's very tough. I have been searching for 4 months trending on a different career path now but still it is really tough however I have realized that the only way is to push through that phase as much as you can. You'd be surprised by how attitude can be the difference between getting a job or not. Once I became more confident with my approach I got to final stages of interviews with big companies. I got rejected but took a lot out of it.

I'll tell you my background story, where I'm from originally, there are little to no opportunities without having contacts. I traveled to London to search for opportunities. No one would sponsor me so I had to make something out of nothing. In the end I got an opportunity and now I just got my residency. Since then I want to do something more in line with my passions and literally been grinding my ass off constantly. I still get a rough time and my experience isn't where I want it to be, but the only way is to keep going 110% till you get a break.

Try not to have any excuses. I know bad luck accounts a lot but the more you look at it that way the more it weighs you down. And even if you gotta force it, a positive attitude is vital. If you feel your town has no opportunities, move! Try something different, that's my advice. A fresh start is always good. All the best and keep going! And if you need to talk just message me.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

I am not fussy about job I send emails to jobs that pop up on my screen and just email away.
I do not even check the jobs or criteria and just send email claiming I am the best candidate for that job. It is a cut and paste email and I meet my quotas for my job search efforts.
Job search is pure numbers game, it is like winning the lottery.
The worst part is having to do that work for welfare nonsense that wastes time and does not provide any skills or experience for real world employment. Painting rocks, sorting clothes, weeding are not employable skills for the real world.
In the past I used to just cold call employers from phone book and claim to work for lowest wages and willing to do any job.

This is a big mistake. HR will notice very easily that you made a copy and paste and don't care about that job.

You have to read what the job is about, what is the company and them look at your qualifications and write an introduction letter showing why you are a good fit for it.

Yes try to focus on more career options. If you do it online you gotta stand out. Networking is also very important, you gotta get yourself meeting as many people as you can.  



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I chose a field that added no value to the economy and got older and became unemployable. Retail/fast food jobs I mainly send for the same low level jobs and do not mention degree on my resume. Higher education can make people unemployable. A low intelligent person life me is best suited for factory/cleaning/retail and fast food jobs. I tried to get into the military a couple of times but I was rejected on medical grounds. I was so desperate I wanted to serve in the Middle East but they said no way are we accepting someone with anxiety and other issues. I must be unemployable.

You must have perfect employment history and no gaps in resume to continue being employable. Life is so much stress and pressure.



HR Specialist here with several years of recruiting experience. Let me try to give you some advise.

Never evoke the feeling of desparation. Never beg. Never propose working for free or something like that. Never make the recruiter feel guilty for not picking you. The recruiter will set up an interview if the job description matches your skills. It doesn't matter how desperate you are, you must never let that show. The recruiter will want to hire you because you fit the job, not because of pity.

You already realised yourself that finding a job is a matter of timing. So never take any declination personal - it just wasn't the right time. Never give up, just keep on checking career pages and keep applying to those jobs that you have exceled in.

As a matter of fact, it is definitely true that you are in a downward spiral if you are long term unemployed. This is not an illusion, this is fact. However (again), this is not your fault, so you don't have to blame yourself. Just keep applying. It will work out one day.

The recruiter will come to the conclusion that no one else gave you work before so surely something must be wrong with you. This is a very prominent bias and is very hard to not fall to. Many people fall to it, especially if they don't know about it. Whenever we see something strange about a person we don't know, we always tend to assume the easiest explanation possible, which is in your case that something must be wrong with you and therefore nobody wants to work with you. It's a simple prejudice building process that many people can't shake off. However, this is not your fault, you must be stronger than that.

Easier said than done, right? Still, keep on applying and be confident. It will work out. Turn that desparation into desire. You might have no major experience but you are very eager to learn, you will work hard and you will want to prove yourself worthy. These are things that you can mention in your introduction letter.

By the way, the letter is overrated anyway - what matters most are your skills. Highlight what you've got and what you can do. That's the interesting part for a recruiter. And always stay confident and never give up. I believe in you.



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I have no social network besides VGChartz. I am not on Facebook or LinkedIn or Twitter, etc. I just could not be bothered with it and do not know anyone that would be useful in me finding employment so I did not sign up for any of those social media sites.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I chose a field that added no value to the economy and got older and became unemployable. Retail/fast food jobs I mainly send for the same low level jobs and do not mention degree on my resume. Higher education can make people unemployable. A low intelligent person life me is best suited for factory/cleaning/retail and fast food jobs. I tried to get into the military a couple of times but I was rejected on medical grounds. I was so desperate I wanted to serve in the Middle East but they said no way are we accepting someone with anxiety and other issues. I must be unemployable.

You must have perfect employment history and no gaps in resume to continue being employable. Life is so much stress and pressure.

I relate and we suffer from the same condition that causes it but a lot of the troubles you have come from that rootproblem and you must find a way to deal with it a bit better so you have some breathingroom to focus on other things,some problems are there because of you and not the world around you and only when you can accept that reality you might make it easier to work on bettering yourself.

Also as i said before,try to chat and communicate in a more personal way with others just as a practice to use in real life.



It has been 10+ years since I held my only full time job that I held for 18 months. I quit a job to go on welfare and did my accounting degree, a terrible mistake. I never did any volunteer work or join any clubs when I attended college. I hated college and regretted every minute of it, a complete waste of time and the wrong field of study and I felt out of place and only attended the assessments and exams to get through my course. I skipped lectures all the time because I could just download the lecture slides and read chapters in my books instead of sitting through lectures. I made no social connections during mob time at college. I have deleted the degree off my resume because I completed it 10 years ago. I have been an unemployed graduate for 10 years now and merely exist on welfare. I just send emails for unskilled jobs online but still no jobs.



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My tear jerker back in 2010. Nothing has changed I just could not get over not finding a job after completing a degree and accepted it as just bad luck.
I had no experience, no skills and a lousy degree that made me over qualified for unskilled jobs.
With no assistance I simply, I could not make it in this world.
I am weak character and can not deal with rejection and I have no plan or strategy.
Good thing I still have my mummy to help me out for now but begging on the streets and homelessness is in my future.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
It has been 10+ years since I held my only full time job that I held for 18 months. I quit a job to go on welfare and did my accounting degree, a terrible mistake. I never did any volunteer work or join any clubs when I attended college. I hated college and regretted every minute of it, a complete waste of time and the wrong field of study and I felt out of place and only attended the assessments and exams to get through my course. I skipped lectures all the time because I could just download the lecture slides and read chapters in my books instead of sitting through lectures. I made no social connections during mob time at college. I have deleted the degree off my resume because I completed it 10 years ago. I have been an unemployed graduate for 10 years now and merely exist on welfare. I just send emails for unskilled jobs online but still no jobs.

Use the phone and/or arrange a meeting or let someone else make the call for you and its needs to be clear that they can utilize you inside the company so give them a reason to let them think so.

If you can not face those people without acting socially akward then it is best to let them know beforehand so that it gives them more incentive to look past that.