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Baalzamon said:

tsogud said:

Baalzamon said:
Isn't it ironic that people complain about our military spending, but the moment we pull troops from random foreign issues that are not directly related to us, we become horrible human beings for not being further involved?

It's only ironic if you have no humanity.

I hate responses like this. Blanket statements that somebody is one thing solely because they do or don't agree with ONE thing.

Speaking of irony.

Snoopy said:
SpokenTruth said:

Epstien?

11,000 Kurdish troops died helping us fight ISIS.  If we leave, Turkey will kill thousands more.

If you're not looking at your feet in shame right now, you have no humanity within you.

ISIS came about after we got involved with the middle east. The truth is, the world is fucked up as it is. Why should we bring ourselves down with them? We need to worry about our interests first. All we should do is kick Turkey out of NATO, implement sanctions and never get involved with these useless wars. We should only use our military might to protect us and our Allie nations that truly has our back.

They die for you but you turn your back on them when they need you.  I expected nothing more from you.  I'd pity you if I knew it would help those that you won't.



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SpokenTruth said:
Baalzamon said:

I hate responses like this. Blanket statements that somebody is one thing solely because they do or don't agree with ONE thing.

Speaking of irony.

Snoopy said:

ISIS came about after we got involved with the middle east. The truth is, the world is fucked up as it is. Why should we bring ourselves down with them? We need to worry about our interests first. All we should do is kick Turkey out of NATO, implement sanctions and never get involved with these useless wars. We should only use our military might to protect us and our Allie nations that truly has our back.

They die for you but you turn your back on them when they need you.  I expected nothing more from you.  I'd pity you if I knew it would help those that you won't.

We also died for them as well. We just realize how pointless it is trying to stop these conflicts that aren't ours. 



Snoopy said:
sundin13 said:

Very different situations. The Kurds are a distinct group of displaced individuals, who have been fighting for us against ISIS for years and losing lives so we don't have to. If that isn't an ally, I don't know what is.

They have no choice but to fight ISIS. They should be glad we even helped in the first place. It isn't our place to fight wars that don't affect us or our true allies. Sorry, we are not going to deploy troops and spend a lot of money for the rest of our lives for wars that aren't ours.

...You don't think IS affects our "true allies"?

Bullshit.

Clear bullshit.

Also, drawing a line between "true allies" seems like it could easily devolve into some pretty gross areas.



sundin13 said:
Snoopy said:

They have no choice but to fight ISIS. They should be glad we even helped in the first place. It isn't our place to fight wars that don't affect us or our true allies. Sorry, we are not going to deploy troops and spend a lot of money for the rest of our lives for wars that aren't ours.

...You don't think IS affects our "true allies"?

Bullshit.

Clear bullshit.

Also, drawing a line between "true allies" seems like it could easily devolve into some pretty gross areas.

As long as you protect your borders and do a thorough background check on people who come to your country you should be fine. Especially those who come from dangerous Countries.



Snoopy said:
sundin13 said:

...You don't think IS affects our "true allies"?

Bullshit.

Clear bullshit.

Also, drawing a line between "true allies" seems like it could easily devolve into some pretty gross areas.

As long as you protect your borders and do a thorough background check on people who come to your country you should be fine. Especially those who come from dangerous Countries.

That is incorrect. Individuals can be radicalized without leaving the county, and further, background checks may not be able to detect all radicalized individuals. When allowed to roam free, terrorism can be tremendously dangerous; even more so when such terrorism is allowed to gain power. Establishing allies in the Middle East is pivotal to protecting the United States and our allies.



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My question still stands.

At what point does somebody become inhumane for not expecting the US to be involved in foreign matters?

Following the news or not, this type of thing is on the news virtually 100% of the time over the last 50 years. Somewhere in the world, some horrible inhumane thing is occurring.

So...at what point does the US become obligated to help these people or be seen as inhumane?



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sundin13 said:
Snoopy said:

As long as you protect your borders and do a thorough background check on people who come to your country you should be fine. Especially those who come from dangerous Countries.

That is incorrect. Individuals can be radicalized without leaving the county, and further, background checks may not be able to detect all radicalized individuals. When allowed to roam free, terrorism can be tremendously dangerous; even more so when such terrorism is allowed to gain power. Establishing allies in the Middle East is pivotal to protecting the United States and our allies.

Terror within can be reduced greatly by having great security inside our nation and doing our job reporting suspicious activities. 



Baalzamon said:
My question still stands.

At what point does somebody become inhumane for not expecting the US to be involved in foreign matters?

Following the news or not, this type of thing is on the news virtually 100% of the time over the last 50 years. Somewhere in the world, some horrible inhumane thing is occurring.

So...at what point does the US become obligated to help these people or be seen as inhumane?

It's one thing when we don't react to help an atrocity.  It's a completely different matter when our own actions lead to an atrocity.  Even worse when we know that the atrocity is going to happen.

Follow this scenario.....

1. A fight is happening across town.  People are getting killed.

2. You are already across town helping defend one of the groups getting killed.  And you know if you leave, they will die.  You leave anyway.

Both situations are horrible.  But one is the direct result of your action.  The other is not.



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Snoopy said:
sundin13 said:

That is incorrect. Individuals can be radicalized without leaving the county, and further, background checks may not be able to detect all radicalized individuals. When allowed to roam free, terrorism can be tremendously dangerous; even more so when such terrorism is allowed to gain power. Establishing allies in the Middle East is pivotal to protecting the United States and our allies.

Terror within can be reduced greatly by having great security inside our nation and doing our job reporting suspicious activities. 

How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?



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SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

Terror within can be reduced greatly by having great security inside our nation and doing our job reporting suspicious activities. 

How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

How is having security anything like 1984?