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Vinther1991 said:
So Warren drops out but Tulsi Gabbard is still in the race. What exactly is the point for Gabbard to stay in the race other than taking votes from Bernie?

I don't know, but I don't mind in all honesty. I've got my own theory and I'm just sitting back and seeing how things unfold, especially since I can tell you for a fact a lot of Tulsi supporters who are 100% with Tulsi now will stay home otherwise. That subset may not be that large in general but I feel like those left with her now just happens to be that set and they consist more of Independents who are watching things like assange more than anything. Let's just say I've seen some interactions and Bernie's mild pushing of Russia gate, refusing to call out certain people's corruption because they're his friend have turned a lot of them off of him and Tulsi has gained respect with them. So yea, I think those Tulsi supporters who have bernie as their 2nd choice who want a progressive win have already switched more or less.



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It looks like we're going back to the October era when Biden decisively outperforms Bernie with blue-collar whites, suburban whites, African Americans, and women.
Bernie did manage to get Hispanics behind him, so there's that.



Does Bernie have any chance to win at this point?



Spike0503 said:
Does Bernie have any chance to win at this point?

Yes



Spike0503 said:
Does Bernie have any chance to win at this point?

The race is still pretty much neck and neck. After Iowa Biden was considered to be pretty much toast, but he made a comeback. Bernie post Super Tuesday, isn't in nearly as bad a position as Biden was post Iowa. Bernie has more cash on hand, and a better message. 



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Thanks for the responses. I'm not American so I only know so much about this topic but I must admit that following it for the last few months has been really engaging.



Spike0503 said:
Does Bernie have any chance to win at this point?

He has a chance, but its not looking good per say. Honestly, if there was a debate in between now and the next set of voting I'd say Bernie definitely has a good chance but right now? Its not looking good. Biden doesn't have that big of a lead, and Biden is Biden. In other words, he's a Dementia having man whose unfit for office and continues to say things that are disqualifying, he has the worst record out of anyone to ever run for President being on the wrong side of most issues for around 40 years. Its gonna take work but the masses will need to be heavily educated about how much of a disaster Biden is and honestly, Bernie made the mistake of not airing his attack ads on Biden early. He should have gone for the kill but didn't and now the establishment has come to back Biden entirely. Its not going to be easy, its going to be a hell of a lot of work. But Bernie can win, I mean if he doesn't we see a guy with Dementia going against Trump so if your into that kind of comedy well...... yea, but Its Either Bernie is gonna win or Trump is gonna win. The election is that simple.

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Still baffles me that in an era where diversity is championed, and in the midst of the #Metoo thing, the rich establishment is increasingly viewed unfavorably, the golden boy of choice for the establishment Demcrats is.. Joe Biden. Can't make this stuff up.

I think people severely overstate the "safeness" or electability of this guy (or whatever the hell it is they see in him). With his record on NAFTA and TPP, he has zero shot to win the Rust belt - aside from here in Illinois where we're more "#votebluenomatterwho" and his home state of Pen. His only real strength is the South which Trump's going to have no trouble knocking out anyway. You've also got his Neocon-esque voting record, and his clear early signs of dementia, which Trump will have an absolute FIELD day exposing. All they really have against Bern is the "crazy communist/radical socialist!" thing, which is quite obviously not true to anyone with any sense and will easily be debunked.

In other news, Warren has dropped out, leaving Tulsi as the only female candidate now in the race. Even as optimistic as I was, never did I expect that. Tulsi's a survivor and a fighter, an inspiration that she can withstand all these arrows from all directions in addition to the media blackout.

Not only this but she's the only woman left in the race, but the only candidate of color, vegan, Hindu, combat veteran and really the only overtly anti-war candidate. But again, can't wait to see the self-exposed hypocrisy following the inevitable smearing, slandering, and ignoring the only woman in the running - and just on the heels of a race where if people didn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton and questioned her record, they were automatically viewed as "sexist." But such is the power of brainwashing media I guess. And the backlash from the establishment if you dare go against the military industrial complex. I mean I knew it was bad, but I never truly got a grasp on just HOW powerful until I witnessed this onslaught of unjustified smears against Gabbard, a candidate who basically checks all the boxes for liberals/progressives. I still say if she didn't dare to back out of the DNC Vice Chair position to support Bernie in '16 she'd be the current rising star and darling of the party - the next Obama.

Anyway, it'll be very interesting to see how this plays out as far as the debate and media coverage now that she's only one of 3 remaining candidates. I would think at this point these guys can no longer ignore her, and it's going to become very VERY blatant to even the average voter if they attempt to continue this. I really hope she can make the debate. It'd be amusing to see Bernie and Tulsi both going after Biden the majority of the time as he stumbles on his words.

Oh, one side note I've noticed - sure seems like the establishment/centrist/corporatist wing of the Dems tend to attack and discredit the SUPPORTERS of a candidate (ie pointing to problematic toxic "Bernie Bros", despite Bernie having the most diverse coalition which is mainly women and POC). Meanwhile, the progressive & more independent wing seem to go after the actual record/policies of the candidate THEMSELVES. That's the key distinction...



 

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uran10 said:
Spike0503 said:

He has a chance, but its not looking good per say. Honestly, if there was a debate in between now and the next set of voting I'd say Bernie definitely has a good chance but right now? Its not looking good. Biden doesn't have that big of a lead, and Biden is Biden. In other words, he's a Dementia having man whose unfit for office and continues to say things that are disqualifying, he has the worst record out of anyone to ever run for President being on the wrong side of most issues for around 40 years. Its gonna take work but the masses will need to be heavily educated about how much of a disaster Biden is and honestly, Bernie made the mistake of not airing his attack ads on Biden early. He should have gone for the kill but didn't and now the establishment has come to back Biden entirely. Its not going to be easy, its going to be a hell of a lot of work. But Bernie can win, I mean if he doesn't we see a guy with Dementia going against Trump so if your into that kind of comedy well...... yea, but Its Either Bernie is gonna win or Trump is gonna win. The election is that simple.

I don't know why you think Sanders is somehow immune from the media in November when he can't even persuade the Democratic electorate to vote for him. He is having trouble getting support in a primary with the people most ideologically aligned to himself. Where’s this mystery surge of voters for general coming from? Do you really believe Sanders would totally skate through the general without being attacked for anything he's ever done or said, and all the people who didn't come out to vote for him in the primary would usher him to a comfortable win?

There's absolutely no basis to believe that Sanders would kill it in the general and Biden wouldn't get turn out. Literally no evidence. There's coalittion right now that is turning out in giant, reliable numbers, and it isn't Sanders's. Your idea is just not based on anything other than a general feeling you have, which so far has not manifested itself in any tangible way.

Nevermind the fact that despite all of Biden's gafes, he dominated in Super Tuesday against super electable candidate Sanders. And that exit polls show his electors are just as engaged as the others concerning politics, shooting down this disengenuous idea Sanders voters are some enlightened group while Biden's are ignorant voters who can't sift through available political data.

Not to mention, what a low blow, to take on an aging man with a stutter and claim he has dementia or something to ironically try to favor the candidate who is statistically unlikely to survive the next four years, after his heart attack. If there's one thing voters have always known about Biden are his occasional oddities at public speeches because of his condition. I bet if you and all these twitter bad faith actors saw him saying Obama's name was Barrack America in 2008, you'd have been 100% sure he had lost his marbles already.

Also, concerning your point about Corbyn... eh? Is the "neoliberal" position supposed to be what the Greens and the SocLibs defended, or what the Tories defended? Either way, again, data points out the main factor was that no one really liked the dude and his policies much - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51457739



 

 

 

 

 

Bernie Sanders will be the nominee, don't believe the hype. It'll be easier with a Warren endorsement though.