Jason, were you following politics as much back then as you are now?  I only ask because I get the impression you only heard Trump's rhetoric and nothing more. I really want to give you that benefit of the doubt.  I hope you were not aware of things like the Access Hollywood tape, the porn star payouts, the campaign finance violations, border wall Mexico bullshit, his known history of lies, not paying contractors, bigotry, racism, etc...

If all you heard was, "I'm going to make America great again" and" "drain the swamp", I'll give you a pass. But if you knew about the rest, how could you possibly believe his word?  It was well understood his intentions were to make the rich richer and fuck everybody else.  To be honest, find me a rich Republican that believes differently.  I'll wait.

Unpopular with whom?  Republicans?  Older Democrats?  Fine.  The Republicans aren't going to vote for anyone but a Republican anyway and the older Democrats need to get out of politics because they are their own swamp.

We are now in the era of the Democratic Socialist for the left.  For the Democrats that don't like it, too bad.  It's your damn fault we're here.  You don't raise a generation on perpetual war, debt, shrinking middle class, drug wars, failing education, a housing crisis, stagnant wages, skyrocketing health care costs and expect us to say, "Please sir, may I have another".

Going out all divisive there, are you?

Considering Biden is likely to be the nominee, the era of the "left" is no more than Twitter rethoric

Thankfully, older Democrats aren't going anywhere, otherwise, we'd have decades of unchecked Republican dominance.

Pfft, if Bernie or Warren beat Biden I bet you'll vote for Trump. You'll ask people to hold their nose and vote for Biden if he wins, but I'd be surprised if someone like yourself was willing to do the same if your candidate lost. You actually agree with the damn neoliberals. Wake up dude, no one on the right likes neoliberalism, so they're not gonna vote for Biden. Even most honest people in what passes for the center in this country nowadays don't like neoliberalism, it's just all they've ever known and they're too afraid to try anything else. The center is routed. The country is polarized. There's no point trying to find the center of the political spectrum because no one lives there. Just find someone who can appeal to a broad base on one pole or the other. Right now that's not Biden. Even his own voters don't like him that much, they just know he's a familiar face and they're scared of Trump. I'm sick and tired of this country being run by people afraid of the right. Grow a pair.

Unpopular with whom?  Republicans?  Older Democrats?  Fine.  The Republicans aren't going to vote for anyone but a Republican anyway and the older Democrats need to get out of politics because they are their own swamp.

We are now in the era of the Democratic Socialist for the left.  For the Democrats that don't like it, too bad.  It's your damn fault we're here.  You don't raise a generation on perpetual war, debt, shrinking middle class, drug wars, failing education, a housing crisis, stagnant wages, skyrocketing health care costs and expect us to say, "Please sir, may I have another".

Maybe it will actually be shocking to you that there are people who believe in Biden, and centrists in general, and support those ideas and see that as a path forward. It's not being afraid of supporting ideas from the left, but rejecting them as harmful and dangerous.

I support anyone who isn't Tulsi Gabbard before Trump, even Sanders.

That's not what I said. Why does he have to base his campaign strategy around winning within the electoral college system? He most certainly doesn't have to do that, it's simply the smarter way to go about it given the current ruleset.

Jason, were you following politics as much back then as you are now?  I only ask because I get the impression you only heard Trump's rhetoric and nothing more. I really want to give you that benefit of the doubt.  I hope you were not aware of things like the Access Hollywood tape, the porn star payouts, the campaign finance violations, border wall Mexico bullshit, his known history of lies, not paying contractors, bigotry, racism, etc...

If all you heard was, "I'm going to make America great again" and" "drain the swamp", I'll give you a pass. But if you knew about the rest, how could you possibly believe his word?  It was well understood his intentions were to make the rich richer and fuck everybody else.  To be honest, find me a rich Republican that believes differently.  I'll wait.

If some Democrats don't like it, what hope do you have the majority of the American public, 70% of which defines itself as either moderate or conservative, would embrace such ideas? Some ideas are popular with a lot of people, yes. Others are de facto dealbreakers to independents and centrists. Don't commit the mistake of believing economically anxious people embrace the left by default. If anything, history has taught us the opposite seems even more likely to happen.

Can a candidate include unpopular stuff in his campaign and still win? Yes. Trump did it, to an extent. Can a democratic candidate do the same? We don't know. If Trumps win again, what then? Will the passive-agressive "fine" and "too bad" suffice for the people enduring four more years under Trump? Or for the rest of the world, enduring yet another unexpected election result enabling and boosting fascistoid far-right politics everywhere?

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No really, that is something I see not even a hint for. I see it only ever used as a strategy to smear Sanders. Because, maybe there were a few Bernie or Bust people, but would they have voted for Clinton in the first place? I think it is the other way around: that Sanders fought hard in the primary activated many voters that would have been passive otherwise because they had long given up on voting, as they felt neither party would do anything for them. Sanders could actually bring them back in the political process. That some of these people were in the end disappointed that Clinton was the nominee and didn't show up on election day is meaningless, as they would have been absent if Sanders wouldn't have been in the primary in the first place. But many of the people he activated in the end voted for Clinton.

In the end Clinton got 65 million votes, just about the same as Obama did. To be precise, Obama got 65,915,795 votes 2012, while Clinton got 65,853,514. So she lost about 62K voters, pretty much nothing compared to one of the most beloved presidents. Trump on the other hand got 62,984,828 votes, about 2 million more than Romneys 60,933,504. So in the end Clinton did not lose because she lost voters, Trump won because he convinced voters. In which way he did that is a miracle to me, but he did.

So, people want to tell me, that Clinton - a candidate with certainly a lot of problems and baggage - would have magically gotten more votes than Obama, if not the mean kid Sanders threw a wrench in it? Yeah no, I don't buy that. It is obviously bull to damage Sanders, and it disheartens me that so many people believe that bull.