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zorg1000 said:
chakkra said:

My argument was that Nintendo is one of the most respected brand in gaming history and yet it has had a couple of consoles that have performed worst than the X1.  So that´s why I dont see the X1 like such a big failure.

The Nintendo brand has remained strong thanks to their popular IP and handheld performance. Outside of Wii their home console market had been poor in the 21st century so doing better than GC & Wii U doesn't mean much.

Errr...  but we are not talking just about GC and Wii U here..

At the end of gen8 things will be like this:

1)Switch

2)Wii

3)SNES

XONE

4)NES

5)N64

6)GC

7)Wii U

8)VB (Yes, I'm counting it bcuz people like to pretend that it never existed, just like some people are starting to do with the WiiU)

So, in all of Nintendo's history, only three out of eight home consoles will have sold more than the Xone at the end of gen8.

That it had mediocre sales compared to PS4? Sure

That it had mediocre sales compared to 360? Sure

But I think that acting like it has been the biggest failure in gaming history is actually pushing it.  Because it is not even close.



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curl-6 said:
chakkra said:

But, didn't you know that from the beginning?  I mean, did you really think (even if for a second) that the X1 would ever catch up to the PS4?

Yes, the X1 has sold mediocre numbers, but at least MS has tried.  I mean, they could have done what Nintendo did with the Wii U, you know, just ride it out until they had a new console ready.

That's what I'm saying, none of the measures taken to try to boost the Xbone significantly altered its fate.

So if the X1 was still more expensive than the PS4, still had the mandatory Kinect and was still always online, its sales wouldn't have been drastically different from what they are now..   Okay...   I think we're done here.



kirby007 said:
Honestly a x1x at 150 would even sell in japan

Some weeks the xbox one x is at 150 in Japan 



chakkra said:
zorg1000 said:

The Nintendo brand has remained strong thanks to their popular IP and handheld performance. Outside of Wii their home console market had been poor in the 21st century so doing better than GC & Wii U doesn't mean much.

Errr...  but we are not talking just about GC and Wii U here..

At the end of gen8 things will be like this:

1)Switch

2)Wii

3)SNES

XONE

4)NES

5)N64

6)GC

7)Wii U

8)VB (Yes, I'm counting it bcuz people like to pretend that it never existed, just like some people are starting to do with the WiiU)

So, in all of Nintendo's history, only three out of eight home consoles will have sold more than the Xone at the end of gen8.

That it had mediocre sales compared to PS4? Sure

That it had mediocre sales compared to 360? Sure

But I think that acting like it has been the biggest failure in gaming history is actually pushing it.  Because it is not even close.

How can the SNES be above the NES?

Also the difference between Xbox and Nintendo platforms is that Nintendo had a near monopoly on one half of the gaming industry, when you add their portables which were also active during the times they had lower success with their home platforms it gives more context to how they were able to come back. If you want a more accurate representation of where the Xbox brand is as context goes look at Sega who had no such monopoly on one half of the market once the slide began after they had a misstep they had fight the PS brand head on and even delivered a good platform but PS2 was too much things like this snow ball into the next generation unless you pull a Wii or have one half of the gaming market on lock down for your next platform. X1 will have decent numbers compared to older eras but as pointed out the market is different compared to those days which came after a crash nearly killed the industry.



chakkra said:
zorg1000 said:

The Nintendo brand has remained strong thanks to their popular IP and handheld performance. Outside of Wii their home console market had been poor in the 21st century so doing better than GC & Wii U doesn't mean much.

Errr...  but we are not talking just about GC and Wii U here..

At the end of gen8 things will be like this:

1)Switch

2)Wii

3)SNES

XONE

4)NES

5)N64

6)GC

7)Wii U

8)VB (Yes, I'm counting it bcuz people like to pretend that it never existed, just like some people are starting to do with the WiiU)

So, in all of Nintendo's history, only three out of eight home consoles will have sold more than the Xone at the end of gen8.

That it had mediocre sales compared to PS4? Sure

That it had mediocre sales compared to 360? Sure

But I think that acting like it has been the biggest failure in gaming history is actually pushing it.  Because it is not even close.

We already went over this, you cant just look at numbers in isolation because the market has grown with every generation. A console selling 50-60 million in the 2010s is not the same as selling 50-60 million in the 80s/90s.

NES sold ~60 million and had ~80% of global marketshare, SNES sold ~50 million and had ~55% of global marketshare.

XBO is currently at ~42 million and only has ~28% of global marketshare against PS4/Wii U and will likely drop a few percent by the time all is said and done.

 

You're only adding Virtual Boy to try and make your argument look better, it was in no way shape or form a main Nintendo console, it was a goofy side project that lasted less than a year.

The only Nintendo consoles XBO will perform notably ahead of are GC & Wii U (failures) and a similar level as N64 (mediocre).



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chakkra said:
curl-6 said:

That's what I'm saying, none of the measures taken to try to boost the Xbone significantly altered its fate.

So if the X1 was still more expensive than the PS4, still had the mandatory Kinect and was still always online, its sales wouldn't have been drastically different from what they are now..   Okay...   I think we're done here.

None of those measures have saved it from having mediocre sales, and none of them saved it from being left in the dust by both PS4 and Switch.



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curl-6 said:
chakkra said:

So if the X1 was still more expensive than the PS4, still had the mandatory Kinect and was still always online, its sales wouldn't have been drastically different from what they are now..   Okay...   I think we're done here.

None of those measures have saved it from having mediocre sales, and none of them saved it from being left in the dust by both PS4 and Switch.

Okay...



zorg1000 said:
chakkra said:

Errr...  but we are not talking just about GC and Wii U here..

At the end of gen8 things will be like this:

1)Switch

2)Wii

3)SNES

XONE

4)NES

5)N64

6)GC

7)Wii U

8)VB (Yes, I'm counting it bcuz people like to pretend that it never existed, just like some people are starting to do with the WiiU)

So, in all of Nintendo's history, only three out of eight home consoles will have sold more than the Xone at the end of gen8.

That it had mediocre sales compared to PS4? Sure

That it had mediocre sales compared to 360? Sure

But I think that acting like it has been the biggest failure in gaming history is actually pushing it.  Because it is not even close.

We already went over this, you cant just look at numbers in isolation because the market has grown with every generation. A console selling 50-60 million in the 2010s is not the same as selling 50-60 million in the 80s/90s.

NES sold ~60 million and had ~80% of global marketshare, SNES sold ~50 million and had ~55% of global marketshare.

XBO is currently at ~42 million and only has ~28% of global marketshare against PS4/Wii U and will likely drop a few percent by the time all is said and done.

 

You're only adding Virtual Boy to try and make your argument look better, it was in no way shape or form a main Nintendo console, it was a goofy side project that lasted less than a year.

The only Nintendo consoles XBO will perform notably ahead of are GC & Wii U (failures) and a similar level as N64 (mediocre).

Ok, let's just agree to disagree because we're going nowhere.



chakkra said:
zorg1000 said:

We already went over this, you cant just look at numbers in isolation because the market has grown with every generation. A console selling 50-60 million in the 2010s is not the same as selling 50-60 million in the 80s/90s.

NES sold ~60 million and had ~80% of global marketshare, SNES sold ~50 million and had ~55% of global marketshare.

XBO is currently at ~42 million and only has ~28% of global marketshare against PS4/Wii U and will likely drop a few percent by the time all is said and done.

 

You're only adding Virtual Boy to try and make your argument look better, it was in no way shape or form a main Nintendo console, it was a goofy side project that lasted less than a year.

The only Nintendo consoles XBO will perform notably ahead of are GC & Wii U (failures) and a similar level as N64 (mediocre).

Ok, let's just agree to disagree because we're going nowhere.

Its not going anywhere because you wont admit to things that are facts.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.