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potato_hamster on 06 February 2019
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

The fact that you keep harping on this phrase means you don't understand what I'm saying at all.

The fact that you keep harping on this phrase means you don't understand what I'm saying at all, and I mean at a fundamental level. I'm clearly paraphrasing what you're saying unless when you said and I do quote that the Switch has "some great and diverse 3rd party games" (your words) that "push them to buy Switch, Dark Souls and espacily Diablo 3 are very good examples" (again your words).  You're acting like it's ridiculous to summarize such comments as "great system selling games", when I'm sure most would agree that is perfectly reasonable.

If that's the stand you want to make and accuse me of misrepresenting your points by doing as such, I have no interest in any further conversations with you on this topic or any other. It's a waste of my time.

No you changing what I said to fit your narrative. And yes, its totally ridiculous to go from "Offcourse that not single 3rd party game can move consoles like biggest Nintendo IPs can, but point is that Switch is getting some great and diverse 3rd party games" (you are free to use hole quote not just part to fit your agenda) and "you have people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch", and summarize that in "great system selling games". I mean, if I said its good game, you would probably summarize that like I said "best game ever".

I accusing you with every right, I have clear proof, I never said nothing even close that could be summarized like "great system selling games".

It's pretty clear to me at this point you either have issues with reading comprehension, the English language, or both. You're either not saying what you think you're saying or you're not understanding what I wrote, because you're blowing an a completely innocuous paraphrasing of your points into something that it's not and never was intended to be.

You can keep fighting that battle if you like, but I have no interest in arguing over semantics with someone who is having the trouble you're having, and i'm definitely not dealing with the accusations that you're developing out of it.



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DonFerrari on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:

 

DonFerrari said:

Yes, but it points to a much better situation than on previous systems.

I've already addressed that idea, multiple times.

No one is arguing against the idea that the third party support on the Switch is better than the Wii U and the Wii in some ways. In fact I state it explicitly in the post you responded to, and in other posts. That still doesn't mean the Switch is getting good or even passable third party support. It just means it's better than the terrible support other recent Nintendo consoles received.

Being good or acceptable would be totally subjective, so if the customer base think it's good we may disagree but it's true to them. Even more when they accept and say it is much lower than PS4/X1. If they said it is great, perfect or cover most AAA games then we could put it as wrong.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

potato_hamster on 06 February 2019
DonFerrari said:
potato_hamster said:

 

I've already addressed that idea, multiple times.

No one is arguing against the idea that the third party support on the Switch is better than the Wii U and the Wii in some ways. In fact I state it explicitly in the post you responded to, and in other posts. That still doesn't mean the Switch is getting good or even passable third party support. It just means it's better than the terrible support other recent Nintendo consoles received.

Being good or acceptable would be totally subjective, so if the customer base think it's good we may disagree but it's true to them. Even more when they accept and say it is much lower than PS4/X1. If they said it is great, perfect or cover most AAA games then we could put it as wrong.

Don, all of this is subjective. We're literally postulating about what a potential consumer would need to push them into buying a Switch. If this was a known, quantifiable thing, most of the conversations on this message board about sales would be completely unnecessary.



DonFerrari on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
DonFerrari said:

Being good or acceptable would be totally subjective, so if the customer base think it's good we may disagree but it's true to them. Even more when they accept and say it is much lower than PS4/X1. If they said it is great, perfect or cover most AAA games then we could put it as wrong.

Don, all of this is subjective. We're literally postulating about what a potential consumer would need to push them into buying a Switch. If this was a known, quantifiable thing, most of the conversations on this message board about sales would be completely unnecessary.

On this point I would have to agree that very few people are waiting for ports or multiplats from A grade to buy Switch.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mandalore76 on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
DonFerrari said:

Seems like on the quartely report over 40% of the revenue on SW were from third parties, which is quite high on Nintendo platform.

So that means that 60% of their revenue came from a dozen or so games vs hundreds if not over a thousand third party games. Like seriously list third party games that have sold over a million copies on Switch. There's Mincraft, Skyrim, Octopath Traveller... and that's it according to VGChartz. Now I know they don't count digital sales, but in honestly there can't be more than what? 6-8 games?

In all seriousness, the only growth I'm seeing in third party sales in the Switch is in small indie titles, and while that's a great thing, no one is going out and buying Switch to play Golf Story the same way they're buying a Switch to play Smash Bros.

Even if this is nit-picking, you left out a couple of titles that this site does clearly lists as million sellers.

According to VGChartz:
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (1.11m)
Fifa 18 (1.10m)

There was also a report recently that 20 Switch titles sold over a million copies each in just the 9 month period of April-December 2018, and that 8 of those were 3rd Party games.

https://nintendosoup.com/20-switch-titles-sold-over-1-million-copies-in-the-last-9-months/

This made me curious how many Xbox One 3rd party games were million sellers in less than its first 2 years on the market (November 2013 - September 2015) and came up with this general list:

Grand Theft Auto V
Call of Duty Advanced Warfare
Assassin's Creed Unity
Destiny
Fifa 16
Titanfall
Call of Duty:  Ghosts
Fifa 15
Battlefield 4
Mortal Kombat X
NBA 2K15
The Witcher 3:  The Wild Hunt
Watch Dogs
Madden NFL 15
Batman: Arkham Knight
Middle Earth:  Shadow of Mordor
The Elder Scrolls Online:  Tamriel Unlimited 
Fifa 14
Battlefield:  Hardline
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
Diablo III
Rise of the Tomb Raider

That's 22 titles assuming all 22 games sold over a million units during the comparative time frame (first 22 months), including the games that released in the cut-off month of September 2015.



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potato_hamster on 06 February 2019
Mandalore76 said:
potato_hamster said:

So that means that 60% of their revenue came from a dozen or so games vs hundreds if not over a thousand third party games. Like seriously list third party games that have sold over a million copies on Switch. There's Mincraft, Skyrim, Octopath Traveller... and that's it according to VGChartz. Now I know they don't count digital sales, but in honestly there can't be more than what? 6-8 games?

In all seriousness, the only growth I'm seeing in third party sales in the Switch is in small indie titles, and while that's a great thing, no one is going out and buying Switch to play Golf Story the same way they're buying a Switch to play Smash Bros.

Even if this is nit-picking, you left out a couple of titles that this site does clearly lists as million sellers.

According to VGChartz:
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (1.11m)
Fifa 18 (1.10m)

There was also a report recently that 20 Switch titles sold over a million copies each in just the 9 month period of April-December 2018, and that 8 of those were 3rd Party games.

https://nintendosoup.com/20-switch-titles-sold-over-1-million-copies-in-the-last-9-months/

This made me curious how many Xbox One 3rd party games were million sellers in less than its first 2 years on the market (November 2013 - September 2015) and came up with this general list:

Grand Theft Auto V
Call of Duty Advanced Warfare
Assassin's Creed Unity
Destiny
Fifa 16
Titanfall
Call of Duty:  Ghosts
Fifa 15
Battlefield 4
Mortal Kombat X
NBA 2K15
The Witcher 3:  The Wild Hunt
Watch Dogs
Madden NFL 15
Batman: Arkham Knight
Middle Earth:  Shadow of Mordor
The Elder Scrolls Online:  Tamriel Unlimited 
Fifa 14
Battlefield:  Hardline
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
Diablo III
Rise of the Tomb Raider

That's 22 titles assuming all 22 games sold over a million units during the comparative time frame (first 22 months), including the games that released in the cut-off month of September 2015.

You're right on me missing those two in Vg chartz, but even then I accounted for them in the very next sentence.

"Now I know they don't count digital sales, but in honestly there can't be more than what? 6-8 games?"

You then provide a source that shows there was 8, which was exactly what I speculated.

.And then you compare it to Xbox One, which has had luke warm sales, and never sold very well even at launch, yet it had nearly three times the third party support in it's first two years.  And I would also note that I suspect this gap increases by a notable margin if you add another 2-3 months to the results since many of the biggest third party titles for the Xbox One and PS4 are released in October and November. Futhermore, I'd be curious to know what the PS4 third party picture was at the time. I suspect it was better than the Xbox One again.

Yet, somehow, you appear to believe that your points refute my claims that third party support on the Switch isn't actually very good? From what I see everything you've stated actually supports my points.



zorg1000 on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:

You then provide a source that shows there was 8, which was exactly what I speculated.

Correct me if I'm wrong but your 6-8 statement was talking about total since launch while the article is saying 8 in the current fiscal year.

 

I also dont think his Xbox talk is meant to refute what you are saying, he said he was curious how it did in a similar timeframe.



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potato_hamster on 06 February 2019
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

You then provide a source that shows there was 8, which was exactly what I speculated.

Correct me if I'm wrong but your 6-8 statement was talking about total since launch while the article is saying 8 in the current fiscal year.

 

I also dont think his Xbox talk is meant to refute what you are saying, he said he was curious how it did in a similar timeframe.

You are right again Zorg. I've been a bit distracted lately with some personal issues and it seems that I keep missing points. Maybe I should take a step back for a bit.

Sorry everyone.



DonFerrari on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but your 6-8 statement was talking about total since launch while the article is saying 8 in the current fiscal year.

 

I also dont think his Xbox talk is meant to refute what you are saying, he said he was curious how it did in a similar timeframe.

You are right again Zorg. I've been a bit distracted lately with some personal issues and it seems that I keep missing points. Maybe I should take a step back for a bit.

Sorry everyone.

Sorry to hear it, hope all gets ok soon.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mandalore76 on 06 February 2019
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

You then provide a source that shows there was 8, which was exactly what I speculated.

Correct me if I'm wrong but your 6-8 statement was talking about total since launch while the article is saying 8 in the current fiscal year.

 

I also dont think his Xbox talk is meant to refute what you are saying, he said he was curious how it did in a similar timeframe.

Yes, on both counts.