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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 22 December 2018

kirby007 said:
Do you want me to be honest again?

You can say whatever you want it seems, so go ahead. It won't be nothing new i guess....I really don't care as much as some of you think. I don't take things personal. I'm giving numbers and explanations as CGI asked and i'm fine with it. If anyone think i'm biased, have a personal agend, i'm a hater, i'm just a fanboy because i like the color blue and the number 4 because it reminds me to a Tubular Bells cover and that's why i like it, go ahead. You have it easier, you are offended because i'm talking about Switch and you want me to be quiet, so you want to be "blunt" because it makes feel better, go ahead. I won't be the one denying you that satisfaction.

But i'll still wait some answer proving me those numbers and calculations are wrong. That's what really matters to me. If i'm wrong correct me, i will apreciate it. And if some posters don't want to do the maths or don't understand them, it's not my fault. 



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You see numbers from only a few countries and extrapolate only one conclusion. Its tunnelvision. For example black friday 1 chain here in the netherlands sold 10k ps4 spiderman bundles you can bet your ass ps4 in the netherlands is much larger then previous years aimply due to BF for the first time being actually major here same thing happend with pokemon go bundles and smash bundles. While previous BF werent a real thing here means a big % change



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I am always amazed when people use numbers they don't understand.

There are 37M PS4 sold in Europe according to VGC. 6M in UK, 6M in Germany and 5M in France, so these for a total of 17M, around 46%.
There are 21M 3DS sold in Europe according to VGC. 4M in UK, 4M in Germany and 5.5M in France for a total of 13.5M, around 64.3%.
There are 11.4M X1 sold in Europe according to VGC. 4.8M in UK, 1.3M in Germany and 1.6M in France for a total of 7.7M, around 67.5%.
There are 5.2M PSV sold in Europe accodring to VGC, 0.7M in UK, 0.4M in Germany and 0.7M in France for a total of 1.8M, around 34.6%.

So when you look at the NS
There are 7.5M sold in Europe according to VGC, 1.5M in UK, 1.2M in Germany and 1.8M in France, for a total of 4.5M, around 60%, what conclusion should we make ? None.



kirby007 said:
You see numbers from only a few countries and extrapolate only one conclusion. Its tunnelvision. For example black friday 1 chain here in the netherlands sold 10k ps4 spiderman bundles you can bet your ass ps4 in the netherlands is much larger then previous years aimply due to BF for the first time being actually major here same thing happend with pokemon go bundles and smash bundles. While previous BF werent a real thing here means a big % change

And i'm giving you that. I'm not saying there won't huge grow in countries like Netherlands.

Look, i don't know if it's my way of express myself or what. What i'm saying is that right now, we have FR, UK official for all the year, and FR, UK and GE and Europe as whoe VGC numbers with a week left. FR and UK numbers are on par with official numbers, and Germany is showing a similar growth to those markets (even better you can say). But then you have the rest of Europe where we can't see numbers. We only can deduct from the total of Europe numbers, what did the rest, and it give me that number, which i can compare to last year's numbers. From there i'm trying to find out it that number for the rest of Europe is possible. I said what numbers was necessary, and i just said , that number won't be possible thanks to markets like Spain and Italy because there's no info saying they did better than FR, UK or GE. So if Spain and Italy are not resposable, them it leaves the duty to countries like Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium, Poland, ....But if Spain and Italy are not part of that growth, you have to reach an absolute number with less coutries, so those countries need to have an ever better growth than 66%. That's what i said. And then i asked. Is really that possible?? I can accept every answer and i was waiting if someone here could add numbers of those countries to see if it possible or not. Zorg gave us Portugal numbers, it was a start.



A fairer comparison when we consider Nov + Dec. Nintendo has more releases in Dec while PS has more in Nov.

Nov + Dec 2017

PS4 - 3,619 + 3,987 = 7,606
NSW - 1,658 + 4,348 = 6,006


Nov + Dec 2018 (3 weeks)

PS4 - 3,745 + 2,252 = 5,997
NSW - 3,269 + 4,366 = 7,635


Source: VGC Hardware Year-Over-Year Comparison



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


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0D0 said:
A fairer comparison when we consider Nov + Dec. Nintendo has more releases in Dec while PS has more in Nov.

Nov + Dec 2017

PS4 - 3,619 + 3,987 = 7,606
NSW - 1,658 + 4,348 = 6,006


Nov + Dec 2018 (3 weeks)

PS4 - 3,745 + 2,252 = 5,997
NSW - 3,269 + 4,366 = 7,635


Source: VGC Hardware Year-Over-Year Comparison

Switch improved a lot in November compared to last year. That could mean two things: You can expect a similar growth in December, or you can think that November stole a % of sales from December. 

In the end Switch should do NOV+DEC combined more than 8M in those months, more than a 33% growth YOY. Switch left the best for the end. If the console have had best first half of the year, Switch would probaly reached that 20M FY goal without problems...

Edit: Is that number for PS4 18 right??, did not PS4 had worse November this year than last year?

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colafitte said:
0D0 said:
A fairer comparison when we consider Nov + Dec. Nintendo has more releases in Dec while PS has more in Nov.

Nov + Dec 2017

PS4 - 3,619 + 3,987 = 7,606
NSW - 1,658 + 4,348 = 6,006


Nov + Dec 2018 (3 weeks)

PS4 - 3,745 + 2,252 = 5,997
NSW - 3,269 + 4,366 = 7,635


Source: VGC Hardware Year-Over-Year Comparison

Switch improved a lot in November compared to last year. That could mean two things: You can expect a similar growth in December, or you can think that November stole a % of sales from December. 

In the end Switch should do NOV+DEC combined more than 8M in those months, more than a 33% growth YOY. Switch left the best for the end. If the console have had best first half of the year, Switch would probaly reached that 20M FY goal without problems...

Edit: Is that number for PS4 18 right??, did not PS4 had worse November this year than last year?

November this year PS4 got 3,748. Last year was 3,619



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


0D0 said:
colafitte said:

Switch improved a lot in November compared to last year. That could mean two things: You can expect a similar growth in December, or you can think that November stole a % of sales from December. 

In the end Switch should do NOV+DEC combined more than 8M in those months, more than a 33% growth YOY. Switch left the best for the end. If the console have had best first half of the year, Switch would probaly reached that 20M FY goal without problems...

Edit: Is that number for PS4 18 right??, did not PS4 had worse November this year than last year?

November this year PS4 got 3,748. Last year was 3,619

We are talking about millions of hardware sales worldwide right??, I could have sworn PS4 did worse this nov than last one.....



colafitte said:
0D0 said:

November this year PS4 got 3,748. Last year was 3,619

We are talking about millions of hardware sales worldwide right??, I could have sworn PS4 did worse this nov than last one.....

It's millions, according to VGC Hardware Year-Over-Year Comparison page.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


0D0 said:
colafitte said:

We are talking about millions of hardware sales worldwide right??, I could have sworn PS4 did worse this nov than last one.....

It's millions, according to VGC Hardware Year-Over-Year Comparison page.

OK, thanks. Good info by the way.