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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 15 December 2018

CrazyGPU said:
zorg1000 said:

The whole argument falls apart in this paragraph.

Japan is Switch's worst market, the market dominated by handhelds. Switch is well ahead of 3DS in America & Europe but far behind in Japan.

3DS sales 2011+2012, 27.4 million

Japan-9.8 million

Outside Japan-17.6 million

Switch sales 2017+2018, ~30 million

Japan-~6.8 million

Outside Japan-~23.2 million

No, if you compare the other systems, Switch is selling much more in Japan in % numbers than the other consoles and its because Japan prefer mobile. Also you are showing that 3DS sales are not very far from Switch, That shows that people that bought 3DS are now buying switch. 

Who cares about the others, we are talking about Nintendo. Microsoft never had and never will have a presence in Japan and if it was as cut and dry as handheld vs console than PS4 wouldnt be matching PS3 while Vita is only 1/3 of PSP.

In the first two years Japan made up ~36% of 3DS sales.

In the first two years Japan made up ~23% of Switch sales.



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There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.



drinkandswim said:
There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.

Consoles being flat/slightly down in year 5, how absurd!!!!!!



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zorg1000 said:
drinkandswim said:
There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.

Consoles being flat/slightly down in year 5, how absurd!!!!!!

Price cuts aren't necessary if you have a Monopoly.



PwerlvlAmy said:

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 

Ok. I agree its a hybrid. I have always agreed with this fact.

But that also means we CANNOT call it a home console or a handheld. Its a hybrid.

Now everyones description of how it is a hybrid can be different, we have those that feel its a home console that that can be taken on the go, those that feel its a handheld that can plug to a TV (both cases still makes it a hybrid) and those that feel it being a hybrid is it simply taking a little of both form factors and combining them. Like reading your post you fall into the third category. 

But the truth is that because its a hybrid everyone is kinda right by how they describe it and everyone is kinda wrong too. 

Now having said that, the NS is NOT a home console. Its a hybrid. So if someone says nintendo is dead as far as home consoles go, that person won't be wrong. That would be true because nintendo is not making a home console. They are making a hybrid. This needs to be sorted out..... because as it stands, when its convenient they will call it a home console, then a handheld.. and when either gets challenged it will be called a hybrid.

I also don't know about anyone being butthurt about Nintendo getting "it right" because I dont really think the people in a sony or xbox camp cares for a handheld (which is mostly how we see the NS) to the point where we would want or wish that sony or MS adopts a similar business model.

I have pointed out earlier..... if they say nintendo did great by making a new type of device I will be right there with them singing their praises. And I personally was among those that felt this is the direction nintendo should have taken long before they even did it. But to say its a home console means we are comparing it with traditional home consoles, and if that was what it was.. and it didn't have the portable aspect of it... then how is it any different from the WiiU? It would have been DOA or not have been made at all.   And this is just simply because it lacks the tools (hardware) to compete in the same market as the PS4/XB1/PC. The tools it has (again the hardware) makes it what a handheld made in 2017 would have been. The unique (or innovation if you choose) is allowing that handheld plug into a Tv while its being charged. They basically took what they already did with the WiiU and reversed it.

There is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't have to be a PS4/XB1/PC to be successful as it has shown. Now why this observation seems to cause issues or arouse suspicions of trolling I will never understand.



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DonFerrari said:

 

Mandalore76 said:

You mean the Switch that is specifically named "Switch 2nd Unit Set" and is marketed specifically to households that already own a Switch and therefore already have the dock?  The Switch 2nd Unit Set doesn't even come with a charger for this reason.  The buyer it is marketed towards is specifically assumed to already have a dock in their home.  The 2nd unit set is the cheap option to get a 2nd Switch into the consumer's home.

You can buy and use it even without the dock. They may also at some point sell standalone docks so you can hook up to other TVs in the house.


 

The Dock is what charges the system.  "2nd Switch Set" doesn't come with the dock or the AC cable, because it is assumed the Buyer has both of these things from "their 1st Switch Set".  In the US, they do sell standalone docks for separate TV's.  I bought 1 to keep at my parent's home whom I visit frequently, and for travel.  It's much more convenient than lugging any of my other consoles around.  But, that doesn't change what the "2nd Switch Set" is.



GuyDuke said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You see it and label it as nonsense, that's fine. I however stand by that opinion as that's how I see the current attitude against the Switch. 

Not your nonsense. The nonsense of other people trying to distort reality and nourish uncalled hate for the hybrid system.

Could you point me to the "hate" for the hybrid system that you are talking about in this thread?  Again because I am seeing some good debating but no hate.

drinkandswim said:
There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.

Down 10% and offered a "ridiculous" BF sale just to tie Nin even though they didn't tie with Nin for Nov they sold more.... and even though they had the same sale last year. That is a NORMAL BF sale for most consoles in their 5th year lol. Like are you being serious or joking with this post? Nin Sold AMAZING being well up YoY for Nov and will be doing the same for Dec being well up YoY. The Switch is on FIRE!!! And Sony will be pretty much flat/slightly down from its peak year which is pretty freaking good if you ask me! And MS well they have not had the best gen period so they are just normal lol.

zorg1000 said:
drinkandswim said:
There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.

Consoles being flat/slightly down in year 5, how absurd!!!!!!

Thank goodness I wasn't the only one who felt this way....like geesh.



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GuyDuke said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You see it and label it as nonsense, that's fine. I however stand by that opinion as that's how I see the current attitude against the Switch. 

Not your nonsense. The nonsense of other people trying to distort reality and nourish uncalled hate for the hybrid system.

Wow.....

what is this hate you guys are talking about?

Am I missing something here?



drinkandswim said:
zorg1000 said:

Consoles being flat/slightly down in year 5, how absurd!!!!!!

Price cuts aren't necessary if you have a Monopoly.

Cool.......I wish that was relevant to anything being discussed.



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zorg1000 said:
CrazyGPU said:

No, if you compare the other systems, Switch is selling much more in Japan in % numbers than the other consoles and its because Japan prefer mobile. Also you are showing that 3DS sales are not very far from Switch, That shows that people that bought 3DS are now buying switch. 

Who cares about the others, we are talking about Nintendo. Microsoft never had and never will have a presence in Japan and if it was as cut and dry as handheld vs console than PS4 wouldnt be matching PS3 while Vita is only 1/3 of PSP.

In the first two years Japan made up ~36% of 3DS sales.

In the first two years Japan made up ~23% of Switch sales.

Well if you wat to be fair.....

look at handheld sales of the last nintendo platform in japan. And the Home console sales of the last nintendo platform in japan. I won be suprised if switch sales in japan is somewhere in the middle.

Then compare that to sales of the PS4 in japan (traditional home console) and you will probably find that the NS is not selling like a traditional home console in japan. Its selling better.