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marcopolo789 said:
JRPGfan said:

This video explains it really well: "Brexit breakdown: a big day in the north | Anywhere but Westminster"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4uIC0AwD68

Food recycleing center (that feeds the poor and needy)
The kitchen waiter, mentions Maslow's hierarchy, saying "you cant be resilient when your hungry, you just cant".
For these people that London has forgotten about, just getting by is hard.

Theres a guy that complains about all the local shops closeing down, work places not being there for people anymore.
Who does he work for? Amazon, that probably helped put some of those local shops out of bussiness.
He works for under minimum wage.

Theres a man who has polio, he cant work anymore, who willingly helps out at that food recycleing center.
He says after he pays his bills he has about 10£ from the "help" he gets.
Its not even enough to feed himself with.... the safety net in the UK doesnt seem to work as it should.

12 minuets into it, he meets 3 homeless kids from a family..... aparantly their moms gone, and their dad commited suicide last month.
So their liveing on the streets, doing odd jobs, and occasionally getting a room at a hotel ect.

This is why Brexit won.... all the wealth is focused in London, and the rich are getting richer at the cost of the poor (which are growing poorer).
It has nothing at all to do with EU.

Its a protest vote, against how things are going now.
These people cant even imagine how things could get worse, so any change, is a chance of something hopefully better (thats how they see it anyways).

Reality isnt likely to be like that though.... getting out of EU wont solve any of these issues.

I agree getting out of the EU will not just be magic and solve these problems but it damn sure will in the long run. Plus that was a Guardian video. Come on, the most bias remain paper ever with slime balls like Owen 'cry baby' Jones who works for them and talks the most unbelievable bollocks ever and when pointed out....blocked.

@ bolded

How?



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JRPGfan said:
marcopolo789 said:

Did you get that info about the economy tanking from a crystal ball? Ahhh yeah, the so called experts. The so called experts that said it would be a disaster for the UK not to join the Euro in currency. The same experts who told us the sky would fall and oxygen would disappear if leave won. None of the scaremongering happened. Actually on the contrary. Since the vote our economy has grown, more jobs have been created. We are exporting more. When did the sky fall? The real answer is...no one really knows what will happen. I guarantee which ever way it goes we will come out of it stronger than before. We are British at the end of the day, we do not just give up we build. This is what boggles my mind. We as a nation until this generation and the PC liberal brigade started brainwashing we would have turned around and told the EU to go F themselves, the last PM with balls to do that was Thatcher, what boggles my mind even after seeing the bully tactics the EU are trying to force on us by demanding billions and it is their way or the high way people still want to remain. Look what Macron has said, who the hell does that little pipsqueak think he is? Juncker? Do not get me started on that unelected alcoholic.

Erhmm.... the UK hasnt left the EU yet?
So how could there be any negative consequences to a action that hasnt taken place yet?
Cause -> effect.

It isnt until April 12th you guys are leaveing (was the 29th but TM got the date moved abit).

 

"None of the scaremongering happened."

You guys havnt left yet.
However quite a few bussiness have moved out of the UK (because of brexit), thats not scaremongering but fact.
 

Yep. Quite a few businesses, jobs... oh and £1 trillion in assets (and all the potential tax revenue that could bring in) have been moved to the EU.



NightlyPoe said:
Here's the core of Britain's problem and it's a simple negotiating dillema:

The ball is staying in Britain's court. Basically, May's negotiating on behalf of the EU instead of the UK by trying to force her country into a completely unacceptable deal. And, furthermore, it's the EU asking a concession from Britain that's causing the hold up. So, why aren't they just stripping the unacceptable part of May's deal out (which is really just the idea that the UK can't quite), passing that and sending it back to the EU with a message that there will be a hard Irish border if they don't accept it.

That puts the onus back on Europe instead of May trying to twist the arms of the people who correctly see that portion of the deal as a non-starter. And instead of the EU sitting back smugly and letting May carry their water, they'll have to deal with the situation on their end instead and actually have to grapple with whether they think this obnoxious backstop is worth it.

There, I just solved everyone's problems. Your welcome.

How would that solve anything? The EU would never accept this "new deal".
The real problem is that the british government ,who negotiated the deal with EU, has no factual majority in the parlament, the hardcore tory brexitters are basically their own party on that particular matter.

The only way I see to avoid a hard Brexit is to extend Article 50 by about two years, a new election in the UK, and a new government formed by Tories and Labor, which will then negotiate a new deal with the EU.



NightlyPoe said:
Here's the core of Britain's problem and it's a simple negotiating dillema:

The ball is staying in Britain's court. Basically, May's negotiating on behalf of the EU instead of the UK by trying to force her country into a completely unacceptable deal. And, furthermore, it's the EU asking a concession from Britain that's causing the hold up. So, why aren't they just stripping the unacceptable part of May's deal out (which is really just the idea that the UK can't quite), passing that and sending it back to the EU with a message that there will be a hard Irish border if they don't accept it.

That puts the onus back on Europe instead of May trying to twist the arms of the people who correctly see that portion of the deal as a non-starter. And instead of the EU sitting back smugly and letting May carry their water, they'll have to deal with the situation on their end instead and actually have to grapple with whether they think this obnoxious backstop is worth it.

There, I just solved everyone's problems. Your welcome.

The problem is the deal and the backstop were all May's idea. She proposed it, they accepted it and now she can't get it through parliament.

Why do you think the backstop exists in the first place?



MrWayne said:
NightlyPoe said:
Here's the core of Britain's problem and it's a simple negotiating dillema:

The ball is staying in Britain's court. Basically, May's negotiating on behalf of the EU instead of the UK by trying to force her country into a completely unacceptable deal. And, furthermore, it's the EU asking a concession from Britain that's causing the hold up. So, why aren't they just stripping the unacceptable part of May's deal out (which is really just the idea that the UK can't quite), passing that and sending it back to the EU with a message that there will be a hard Irish border if they don't accept it.

That puts the onus back on Europe instead of May trying to twist the arms of the people who correctly see that portion of the deal as a non-starter. And instead of the EU sitting back smugly and letting May carry their water, they'll have to deal with the situation on their end instead and actually have to grapple with whether they think this obnoxious backstop is worth it.

There, I just solved everyone's problems. Your welcome.

How would that solve anything? The EU would never accept this "new deal".
The real problem is that the british government ,who negotiated the deal with EU, has no factual majority in the parlament, the hardcore tory brexitters are basically their own party on that particular matter.

The only way I see to avoid a hard Brexit is to extend Article 50 by about two years, a new election in the UK, and a new government formed by Tories and Labor, which will then negotiate a new deal with the EU.

Or a referendum on May's withdrawal deal vs remaining which would probably be quicker as it would require no extra negotiations.  

If we leave then at least we have a basis to work from and if we remain then we can actually concentrate on governing the Country and putting some proper investment into leave voting areas.



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RolStoppable said:
Scoobes said:

@ bolded

How?

If things get worse due to exiting the EU, those people will eventually have nothing to eat anymore. They will die. Once they are all dead, it isn't a problem anymore.

I think the medicines shortages would get to people before the food shortages.

I heard one leave voter say he'd happily eat grass if he had to...



Scoobes said:
RolStoppable said:

If things get worse due to exiting the EU, those people will eventually have nothing to eat anymore. They will die. Once they are all dead, it isn't a problem anymore.

I think the medicines shortages would get to people before the food shortages.

I heard one leave voter say he'd happily eat grass if he had to...

Yeah it seems that some brexiteers are so heavily emotionally invested into brexit they would sacrifice almost everything.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/brexit-paranoid-fantasy-fintan-otoole

This is an extract from "Heroic Failure: Brexit and the Politics of Pain" by Fintan O’Toole, he draws a line between the 2016 Brexit campaign and the leave campaign for the 1975 referendum.

It's a very interesting read! His Thesis is that for many top brexiteers, Brexit never was about the EU itself and how it works but about the UK and its place in the world after WW2.



Scoobes said:
marcopolo789 said:

I agree getting out of the EU will not just be magic and solve these problems but it damn sure will in the long run. Plus that was a Guardian video. Come on, the most bias remain paper ever with slime balls like Owen 'cry baby' Jones who works for them and talks the most unbelievable bollocks ever and when pointed out....blocked.

@ bolded

How?

We will not be forced to give benefits which includes sending child benefit to people in Poland, we will not be forced to house EU immigrants, we will not be forced to pay single mothers with 12 kids from Slovakia who have never paid a penny in to the system child tax credit. The list goes on. Ill take proper tomorrow I need to be up for work and pay tax at 7 and it is already late.



RolStoppable said:
Scoobes said:

@ bolded

How?

If things get worse due to exiting the EU, those people will eventually have nothing to eat anymore. They will die. Once they are all dead, it isn't a problem anymore.

Drama queen in the building. Haha, I should expect it really. On a game forum. Obviously you have no clue. Don't let your tutor brain wash you more kid.



Scoobes said:
RolStoppable said:

If things get worse due to exiting the EU, those people will eventually have nothing to eat anymore. They will die. Once they are all dead, it isn't a problem anymore.

I think the medicines shortages would get to people before the food shortages.

I heard one leave voter say he'd happily eat grass if he had to...

Its a sh*t show..... the UK is actually faceing a situation where they might have a Toilet paper role shortage.

I kid you not, appeartly suppilers are trying to stockpile abit, to offset the worst of it, but Imagine a month from now, going to any super market (in the UK), and not being able to find toilet paper.

It sounds silly... its not like the UK is a poor country, but situations with lack of food shortages, and medicine, and even stuff like toilet paper might happend soon.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ

Jonathan Pie is awesome in this clip. 

Its supposedly humor, but its so on the money its not even funny anymore, just honest journalism.