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CuCabeludo said:

I hope so, because it should not have to take 2 years in a fight to do what you are supposed "free" to do.

The UK could have immediately extricated itself from the EU at any point by revoking the law that took it into the old EEC. They chose the two year process because firstly they needed the time to prepare for it, and secondly because May would never have gotten a vote to revoke the law through parliament, even before she threw away her majority.



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CuCabeludo said:
Lafiel said:

? The UK is free to leave in about 2 months time.

I hope so, because it should not have to take 2 years in a fight to do what you are supposed "free" to do.

lol, this was not a "2 year fight", the process of leaving the EU was drafted by british lawmakers and agreed to by every member state



CuCabeludo said:

After this shitshow, I hope any other country won't want to join this totalitarian superstate, where you must give up your sovereignty without freedom to lave as you wish. The good news is this monstruosity will collapse sooner or later.

If the EU would be really a totalitarian superstate you wouldn't be able to say such things. I know a good german saying, the english translation is apparently "There's life in the old dog yet."



Wyrdness said:
Lol the reactions are priceless and Guy Verhofstadt comments are gold.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47143135

That's confirming what I've been thinking and saying about those who screamed for brexit. No plan of how to do it, but let's just do it anyway!!!

Just going with the head straight through the wall, because no one used the time to look for the door.



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CuCabeludo said:

After this shitshow, I hope any other country won't want to join this totalitarian superstate, where you must give up your sovereignty without freedom to lave as you wish. The good news is this monstruosity will collapse sooner or later.

Yeah, looks like the UK may break apart due to Brexit, with Northern Ireland going back to Ireland and Scotland finally gets it's independence they're asking for for years now.

Oh, you meant the EU? No need to give up sovereignty (or was the UK at any given point not a sovereign country anymore? Nope, always retained it's sovereignty, unlike Scotland like remarked above) and you're free to leave whenever you want to. The 2 year transition period came from the UK not the EU.

Oh, and if there is no freedom to leave, how come the UK is, well leaving???

Seriously, please get your facts together before ranting about something you seemingly don't seem to fully understand with half-truths at best and totally wrong statements at worst.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
CuCabeludo said:

After this shitshow, I hope any other country won't want to join this totalitarian superstate, where you must give up your sovereignty without freedom to lave as you wish. The good news is this monstruosity will collapse sooner or later.

Yeah, looks like the UK may break apart due to Brexit, with Northern Ireland going back to Ireland and Scotland finally gets it's independence they're asking for for years now.

Oh, you meant the EU? No need to give up sovereignty (or was the UK at any given point not a sovereign country anymore? Nope, always retained it's sovereignty, unlike Scotland like remarked above) and you're free to leave whenever you want to. The 2 year transition period came from the UK not the EU.

Oh, and if there is no freedom to leave, how come the UK is, well leaving???

Seriously, please get your facts together before ranting about something you seemingly don't seem to fully understand with half-truths at best and totally wrong statements at worst.

Which is good, I am libertarian, I am in favor of voluntary associations of any country, even of states in any country (in my view any country state/province should have the right to leave the country if they wish): freedom to join and leave as they wish.


This is why I was in favor or Russia take over of Crimea, because 99%+ of crimean people wanted to go back to Russia. And I am against a Chinase take over of Taiwan cause 99%+ of Taiwanese people are against such thing.

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Lafiel said:
KungKras said:
Brexit was so stupid...

Well, the core countries of the EU want further integration and cooperation, which the britts don't want, so I understand their decision to detangle themselves from the EU, but ..

it should've been clear from the start, that it has to be a decades long process, so they really needed a plan with several steps (EU > EEA > customs union > free trade agreement) and a strong intergenerational consensus in this matter.

A catastrophal crash out might in the long term lead to a similarly competitive economy as doing it step by step, but imo there will be faaar more suffering along the way (especially for the poorest britts) in the crash out scenario.

well, not wanting more integration and cooperation is also stupid.



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CuCabeludo said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Yeah, looks like the UK may break apart due to Brexit, with Northern Ireland going back to Ireland and Scotland finally gets it's independence they're asking for for years now.

Oh, you meant the EU? No need to give up sovereignty (or was the UK at any given point not a sovereign country anymore? Nope, always retained it's sovereignty, unlike Scotland like remarked above) and you're free to leave whenever you want to. The 2 year transition period came from the UK not the EU.

Oh, and if there is no freedom to leave, how come the UK is, well leaving???

Seriously, please get your facts together before ranting about something you seemingly don't seem to fully understand with half-truths at best and totally wrong statements at worst.

Which is good, I am libertarian, I am in favor of voluntary associations of any country, even of states in any country (in my view any country state/province should have the right to leave the country if they wish): freedom to join and leave as they wish.


This is why I was in favor or Russia take over of Crimea, because 99%+ of crimean people wanted to go back to Russia. And I am against a Chinase take over of Taiwan cause 99%+ of Taiwanese people are against such thing.

That explains a lot.

In the 2014 referendum (that was held when the Crimea was already occupied by Russian forces) 96.77% of the votes were cast in favor of joining Russia, so 99+% is inaccurate. There were only 2 options in that vote, join the Ukraine or join Russia - the status quo (autonomous region affiliated with the Ukraine) was not an option, neither was joining Turkey (lots of Crimeans have turkish roots) or any other countries. Is that your idea of freedom?



It's time for Leo & Co along with the other in this thread to realize just HOW MUCH in deep shit Ireland is in with regards to no deal ...  

Leo Varadkar is DELUSIONAL if he thinks it's over once Britain crashes out and that he'll see an easy path to reunification ...  

1. What is Ireland going to do about potentially TENS OF BILLIONS WORTH of SMUGGLED GOODS making it's way into the EU from the UK ? 

2. The UK will gain a MASSIVE economic competitive advantage if they're allowed to import cheaper goods compared to EU member states in the case of an open Irish border ... 

3. Have the EU made ANY GUARANTEES to Leo that they WILL NOT boot Ireland out of the single market and customs union in the case where no border is installed with Northern Ireland ? 

In ANY of the cases, Leo and Ireland will stand to lose SOMETHING FOREVER! No deal isn't as bad as some people make it out to be as long as the EU remains sympathetic to smuggling so the UK will either take the EU or Ireland down with them because it may as well be a test of *solidarity* ... (as long as the UK serves as an entry point to the EU market they are perfectly content with serving as a de facto middleman for other countries to flood cheap goods inside the EU)

Does Ireland have enough *solidarity* with the EU to toss aside the GFA for the SM/CU or will they toss aside the SM/CU to uphold the GFA ? To be, or not be that is the question ... 



fatslob-:O said:

It's time for Leo & Co along with the other in this thread to realize just HOW MUCH in deep shit Ireland is in with regards to no deal ...  

Leo Varadkar is DELUSIONAL if he thinks it's over once Britain crashes out and that he'll see an easy path to reunification ...  

1. What is Ireland going to do about potentially TENS OF BILLIONS WORTH of SMUGGLED GOODS making it's way into the EU from the UK ? 

2. The UK will gain a MASSIVE economic competitive advantage if they're allowed to import cheaper goods compared to EU member states in the case of an open Irish border ... 

3. Have the EU made ANY GUARANTEES to Leo that they WILL NOT boot Ireland out of the single market and customs union in the case where no border is installed with Northern Ireland ? 

In ANY of the cases, Leo and Ireland will stand to lose SOMETHING FOREVER! No deal isn't as bad as some people make it out to be as long as the EU remains sympathetic to smuggling so the UK will either take the EU or Ireland down with them because it may as well be a test of *solidarity* ... (as long as the UK serves as an entry point to the EU market they are perfectly content with serving as a de facto middleman for other countries to flood cheap goods inside the EU)

Does Ireland have enough *solidarity* with the EU to toss aside the GFA for the SM/CU or will they toss aside the SM/CU to uphold the GFA ? To be, or not be that is the question ... 

3. No because the EU can't do something like that, only Ireland can decide that and I guess it would be impossible to do it without leaving the Union.

Honestly this comment of yours is kinda disgusting. It seems like you're a person who just likes to see things burn.