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Will you be getting this game?

Yes 49 59.04%
 
No 34 40.96%
 
Total:83
pikashoe said:
So apparently to review something we don't need to play it. Watching some gameplay is enough. That's good to know. Imagine if people said this about films, tv, books, albums.

So apparently I'm a paid professional reviewer rather than some random guy posting an opinion.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
pikashoe said:
So apparently to review something we don't need to play it. Watching some gameplay is enough. That's good to know. Imagine if people said this about films, tv, books, albums.

So apparently I'm a paid professional reviewer rather than some random guy posting an opinion.

What are you on about. You don't need to be paid or professional  to review something. A review tends to be a person giving there opinion on something.

Im starting to see your form of argument is to put words into people's mouths to try and make yourself look better. Although it is having the opposite affect.



Seems like a very good score.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Seems like a very good score.

It's higher than I thought it would get. I'm having a lot of fun with it so far.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
JWeinCom said:

No.  It wouldn't mean I'm a hypocrite.  I'm free to spend my time however I like to.  Stating my opinion does not mean I am obligated to defend it against all comers.  If I don't feel like continuing a conversation, I don't have to.  And you are continuing to strawman me in the same way so I'm getting to that point. 

I did not say a concept cannot be flawed.  I just don't think this concept is flawed.  I'm giving specific examples, and you're claiming I'm making general rules.  It's vexing.  When you have a series that has really broad appeal like Pokemon, having a game that appeals to the more casual end of that spectrum is a good concept.  You can have a game like Metroid Federation Force that is simply flawed on a conceptual level, as it is something that really appeals to nobody.  Or you can have a game like Wii Music which is flawed as its core mechanics are not very fun.  I don't think Pokemon Let's Go falls into either of these categories.  

The reason you want to challenge my logic is because you are again turning everything I say into a sweeping generalization.  I said that it makes sense to include some mechanics from Pokemon Go, and take out some mechanics from the mainline game.  This does not mean that the game has to include EVERYTHING from Pokemon Go and exclude EVERYTHING not in go.  As I said, the game is meant to be a bridge between Pokemon Go and the mainline series, so you're going to have some elements of each.  The most important element of Pokemon Go is the catching mechanic.  So that's something that has to be in a game meant to appeal to Pokemon Go fans.  The most core element of Pokemon that you'd want people to become familiar with is the rock paper scissors battle system, the Pokedex, and the quest to the elite four.  So, those elements are present.  

Again, the goal for this game was an accessible Pokemon game, and there is I'm fairly certain, a large group of people who want that.  Complaining that a game made for people who would like a simpler Pokemon game is a simpler Pokemon game is like complaining that a pizzeria is serving pizza and not burgers.  If you want a burger, go to the burger place.  On the other hand, if you think there is something wrong with the pizza, then explain what it is and you may have a point.

But alas it would as I've shown already.

Sorry, I was assuming you would be consistent and fair with your logic.

Except Pokemon is already uber accessible, 3 year olds can beat it. Face it, the whole "it's for a different audience" angle is just GameFreak's excuse for being uber lazy n greedy by selling what is essentially Sun/Moon but with only 20% of the content at 1.5x the price. The correct analogy here is that we're complaining a pizzeria is serving pizza for full price but without the pepperoni, cheese, and tomato sauce. If you're fine with only getting bread instead of a full pizza, then fair enough, but so too should it also be fair that others aren't satisfied and expect more.

I'm not sure you're qualified to evaluate people's logic.  You don't seem to get that good or bad qualities are dependent on a situation.

A three year old couldn't beat Pokemon (it tends to require a fair bit of reading). A three year old probably could beat Marvel vs Capcom 3.  Doesn't mean that is a more accessible game.  

But there is a reason I bought Evee while skipping out on Sun and Moon, and that is because it is more accessible.  I like Pokemon, but I've been playing less and less, because the effort of building a team and constructing one is insanely tedious, and I am an adult with a job.  Evee is the first game in a while I actually plan to play multiplayer with because it is absolutely more accessible.

Being able to see what Pokemon you want, instead of being forced to wander, go to the battle screen, and run each time you don't want makes it more accessible (or using the Pokemon finder that makes things slightly less of a pain in the ass).  Using candies to be able to focus my pokemon's stats in the area I want instead of having to go through the process of grinding EVs, grinding for power anklet/bracelet/whatever, makes it more accessible.  Being able to check my Pokemon's IVs from the menu instead of having to use an online IV calculator makes it more accessible.  Being able to focus on a selection of 150 Pokemon instead of trying to be prepared on the umpteen strategies that arise from having like 700 Pokemon makes it more accessible.  Not having to breed for hours to get the right hidden ability makes it more accessible.  Being able to influence the nature of random Pokemon without having a bunch of synchronized Abras make it more accessible.  Being able to find missing pieces to your Pokedex with Go makes it more accessible.  Going back to the days before the Pokedex was way over 500 makes filling out the Pokedex seem like an actual fun and worthwhile goal instead of a ridiculous feat requiring multiple generations of games and hardware (or a Pokemon stock broker).

All of these little nuances of Pokemon that made the hardcore fans love it can now be enjoyed by newer or less devoted fans.  Granted a lot of depth has been sacrificed, but fir me that's a tradeoff that's worth it,.Making a team that you can actually battle other people with in the recent games was a massive undertaking.  In Pokemon Let's Go, it's fairly simple and easy thanks to a bunch of changes to the formula.  Not only can I do the basic get to the end of the game thing, but I can actually make a decent team to fight and battle others without treating it as a second job.  

And that does not mean that the Sun and Moon formula is bad (a point that continuously eludes you).  When I actually had the free time, I loved diving into the nuance, and creating the perfect team ready to deal with any situation, and trying to pluck and pokemon out of obscurity and find a way to wreck someone's OU team with (I used Clefable before it was cool, and have been known to sweep with a Togekiss).  And over the summer, when I have more free time, I may finally get Ultra Sun and Moon and get back to that style of play.  But, for now, I'm looking for more simplicity, and Let's Go is far more in line with what I want out of a Pokemon game. 

So, there's definitely an audience for this kind of Pokemon game, who is looking for a simpler experience.  I know because I'm a part of it.  And perhaps if you actually played the game, you'd be aware of the nuances that actually make me enjoy this game more than I've enjoyed the series in a long time.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 20 November 2018

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RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

I said they'd win the superbowl... I never said they'd do it this season.

Looks like you misunderstood. He's a Dolphins fan, you are a Jets fan. You are natural enemies.


Oh... I don't really care that much about the Dolphins and I think it goes both ways.  When both teams have sucked for so long, it's hard to care about a rivalry.



JWeinCom said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

But alas it would as I've shown already.

Sorry, I was assuming you would be consistent and fair with your logic.

Except Pokemon is already uber accessible, 3 year olds can beat it. Face it, the whole "it's for a different audience" angle is just GameFreak's excuse for being uber lazy n greedy by selling what is essentially Sun/Moon but with only 20% of the content at 1.5x the price. The correct analogy here is that we're complaining a pizzeria is serving pizza for full price but without the pepperoni, cheese, and tomato sauce. If you're fine with only getting bread instead of a full pizza, then fair enough, but so too should it also be fair that others aren't satisfied and expect more.

I'm not sure you're qualified to evaluate people's logic.  You don't seem to get that good or bad qualities are dependent on a situation.

A three year old couldn't beat Pokemon (it tends to require a fair bit of reading). A three year old probably could beat Marvel vs Capcom 3.  Doesn't mean that is a more accessible game.  

But there is a reason I bought Evee while skipping out on Sun and Moon, and that is because it is more accessible.  I like Pokemon, but I've been playing less and less, because the effort of building a team and constructing one is insanely tedious, and I am an adult with a job.  Evee is the first game in a while I actually plan to play multiplayer with because it is absolutely more accessible.

Being able to see what Pokemon you want, instead of being forced to wander, go to the battle screen, and run each time you don't want makes it more accessible (or using the Pokemon finder that makes things slightly less of a pain in the ass).  Using candies to be able to focus my pokemon's stats in the area I want instead of having to go through the process of grinding EVs, grinding for power anklet/bracelet/whatever, makes it more accessible.  Being able to check my Pokemon's IVs from the menu instead of having to use an online IV calculator makes it more accessible.  Being able to focus on a selection of 150 Pokemon instead of trying to be prepared on the umpteen strategies that arise from having like 700 Pokemon makes it more accessible.  Not having to breed for hours to get the right hidden ability makes it more accessible.  Being able to influence the nature of random Pokemon without having a bunch of synchronized Abras make it more accessible.  Being able to find missing pieces to your Pokedex with Go makes it more accessible.  Going back to the days before the Pokedex was way over 500 makes filling out the Pokedex seem like an actual fun and worthwhile goal instead of a ridiculous feat requiring multiple generations of games and hardware (or a Pokemon stock broker).

All of these little nuances of Pokemon that made the hardcore fans love it can now be enjoyed by newer or less devoted fans.  Granted a lot of depth has been sacrificed, but fir me that's a tradeoff that's worth it,.Making a team that you can actually battle other people with in the recent games was a massive undertaking.  In Pokemon Let's Go, it's fairly simple and easy thanks to a bunch of changes to the formula.  Not only can I do the basic get to the end of the game thing, but I can actually make a decent team to fight and battle others without treating it as a second job.  

And that does not mean that the Sun and Moon formula is bad (a point that continuously eludes you).  When I actually had the free time, I loved diving into the nuance, and creating the perfect team ready to deal with any situation, and trying to pluck and pokemon out of obscurity and find a way to wreck someone's OU team with (I used Clefable before it was cool, and have been known to sweep with a Togekiss).  And over the summer, when I have more free time, I may finally get Ultra Sun and Moon and get back to that style of play.  But, for now, I'm looking for more simplicity, and Let's Go is far more in line with what I want out of a Pokemon game. 

So, there's definitely an audience for this kind of Pokemon game, who is looking for a simpler experience.  I know because I'm a part of it.  And perhaps if you actually played the game, you'd be aware of the nuances that actually make me enjoy this game more than I've enjoyed the series in a long time.

If you actually read my post you'd see that I have repeatedly said that it's fine to think that way. My issue is when one says having any other viewpoint is wrong. But meh whatevs, you're free to think we're all just baselessly whining, no skin off my bones!



Lonely_Dolphin said:
JWeinCom said:

I'm not sure you're qualified to evaluate people's logic.  You don't seem to get that good or bad qualities are dependent on a situation.

A three year old couldn't beat Pokemon (it tends to require a fair bit of reading). A three year old probably could beat Marvel vs Capcom 3.  Doesn't mean that is a more accessible game.  

But there is a reason I bought Evee while skipping out on Sun and Moon, and that is because it is more accessible.  I like Pokemon, but I've been playing less and less, because the effort of building a team and constructing one is insanely tedious, and I am an adult with a job.  Evee is the first game in a while I actually plan to play multiplayer with because it is absolutely more accessible.

Being able to see what Pokemon you want, instead of being forced to wander, go to the battle screen, and run each time you don't want makes it more accessible (or using the Pokemon finder that makes things slightly less of a pain in the ass).  Using candies to be able to focus my pokemon's stats in the area I want instead of having to go through the process of grinding EVs, grinding for power anklet/bracelet/whatever, makes it more accessible.  Being able to check my Pokemon's IVs from the menu instead of having to use an online IV calculator makes it more accessible.  Being able to focus on a selection of 150 Pokemon instead of trying to be prepared on the umpteen strategies that arise from having like 700 Pokemon makes it more accessible.  Not having to breed for hours to get the right hidden ability makes it more accessible.  Being able to influence the nature of random Pokemon without having a bunch of synchronized Abras make it more accessible.  Being able to find missing pieces to your Pokedex with Go makes it more accessible.  Going back to the days before the Pokedex was way over 500 makes filling out the Pokedex seem like an actual fun and worthwhile goal instead of a ridiculous feat requiring multiple generations of games and hardware (or a Pokemon stock broker).

All of these little nuances of Pokemon that made the hardcore fans love it can now be enjoyed by newer or less devoted fans.  Granted a lot of depth has been sacrificed, but fir me that's a tradeoff that's worth it,.Making a team that you can actually battle other people with in the recent games was a massive undertaking.  In Pokemon Let's Go, it's fairly simple and easy thanks to a bunch of changes to the formula.  Not only can I do the basic get to the end of the game thing, but I can actually make a decent team to fight and battle others without treating it as a second job.  

And that does not mean that the Sun and Moon formula is bad (a point that continuously eludes you).  When I actually had the free time, I loved diving into the nuance, and creating the perfect team ready to deal with any situation, and trying to pluck and pokemon out of obscurity and find a way to wreck someone's OU team with (I used Clefable before it was cool, and have been known to sweep with a Togekiss).  And over the summer, when I have more free time, I may finally get Ultra Sun and Moon and get back to that style of play.  But, for now, I'm looking for more simplicity, and Let's Go is far more in line with what I want out of a Pokemon game. 

So, there's definitely an audience for this kind of Pokemon game, who is looking for a simpler experience.  I know because I'm a part of it.  And perhaps if you actually played the game, you'd be aware of the nuances that actually make me enjoy this game more than I've enjoyed the series in a long time.

If you actually read my post you'd see that I have repeatedly said that it's fine to think that way. My issue is when one says having any other viewpoint is wrong. But meh whatevs, you're free to think we're all just baselessly whining, no skin off my bones!

I apologize for busting into your conversation and for the upcoming things I will say because in general I think you're a quite nice person, but dude, you ARE whining. Stop whining and play something else instead. Don't spoil the fun we have with the game.



GoOnKid said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

If you actually read my post you'd see that I have repeatedly said that it's fine to think that way. My issue is when one says having any other viewpoint is wrong. But meh whatevs, you're free to think we're all just baselessly whining, no skin off my bones!

I apologize for busting into your conversation and for the upcoming things I will say because in general I think you're a quite nice person, but dude, you ARE whining. Stop whining and play something else instead. Don't spoil the fun we have with the game.

Sorry but I'm not gonna shut up because you don't like my opinion. This is a forum not an echo chamber.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
GoOnKid said:

I apologize for busting into your conversation and for the upcoming things I will say because in general I think you're a quite nice person, but dude, you ARE whining. Stop whining and play something else instead. Don't spoil the fun we have with the game.

Sorry but I'm not gonna shut up because you don't like my opinion. This is a forum not an echo chamber.

Okay you can have your opinion, of course. But what are you going to do against his opinion? They are both valid.