Most developers don't have the extra time to downgrade their games just so the switch can handle them.

"it is": October Edition

Thanks for dropping this in. Absolute proof of concept. Only difference is it is coming from a company that has to make sizeable profits on the hardware, and it is not dedicated to games 1st. Sony and Microsoft can make this happen with Ryzen/Radeon for much less, and with better results.

I'm not saying it will happen, but the hardware to make it happen does exist. I want it to happen, and I think there is plenty of evidence that Sony and Microsoft would benefit greatly from expanding their platforms to Mobile. Creating scalability between PS5/XB4 and a PS5/XB4 Phone would be nothing compaired to what the above devices have to go through to play these games. With tools built for Home and Mobile based Ryzen and Navi from day one, it would take very little work to support the Two configurations in each platform.

They are selling the Win2 on the right for $715 on their website. You have to remember that these devices have to be sold at a profit though, because they don't get any royalties. They are also not gaming 1st devices, so they have a lot of excess that can be cut for a full on Handheld/Phone.

In perspective. This is just like going out and buying a pre-built PC. You're looking at ~$700 and up for something with power between the PS4 and PS4 Pro. We know Sony is making a profit on both models at $300 and $400, with room for price cuts. So there is every possability for XB4 and PS5 Mobile devices anywhere in the $300 - $500 price range.

You are kidding right? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9CLAdK6APw&t=471s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nC20IvKcys

I didn't even mention resolution. Heavily downgraded means everything from shadows, textures, number of enemies on screen, weather effects, action effects. Duh. 

I say so what? Downgrade away, as long as you can make a fun game at the end of the day. I am curious if Diablo 3 was downgraded for PS 3 / Xbox 360, as it seems Switcshould be competitive with ,those two, but anyways, I will also gladly take downgrades of a few other selectAAA games if anyone cares  to make them.

Overall, I admit there is no point in downporting every  aaa game on the market, but I also think the right games should beconsidered.  Overwatch would be a difficult pirt, but iI think it would kill on Switch, for example.

The Win 2 costs nearly $900. The $650 is just the promo kickstarter price and probably closely represents the break-even point such a device. But I'm totally sure Sony could make and sell one at less than half the size for less than half the cost.

The hardware to make it happen doesn't exist. For one, you're assuming what the PS5's CPU will be, for all we know it doesn't exist. Also, again, you have such a basic understanding of "scalability" that you think it's "nothing" to just make a game run on a home console, and on a handheld console that has around half the performance, and costs less than the $300 maximum anyone is willing to spend for a handheld. Because it's just that easy. What are the odds Sony can get the 2300U for the same price of the ARM processor that was in the Vita (approximately $30?) If you don't know that, then you don't know if it's actually feasible to use this processor in a handheld.

What are "tools built for Home and Mobile based Ryzen and Navi from day one"? What does that even mean? How do you make those tools? What would those tools actually do? How much research and development would it cost to make those tools? Are those tools even feasible to make?  How much work would it take to support two configurations on each platform? Is it more or less work than  making a multi--platform PS4/X1 game? Is it more or less work than getting a game to run on both PS4 and PS4 pro?

You do realize that making a PS4 game run on a PS4 pro is a completely different and far less difficult than it is to make a PS4 run on a PS4 portable that has half the performance, right?

You just don't know what you're talking about. You're just glossing over what could easily be one of the most difficult engineering challenges a platform developer has ever tried to create is if it's a given. You're so naive on all of this it's not even funny.

Downgrading costs time and money. It makes the development cost for posting a PS4 game to Switch higher than the cost of porting a PS4 game to Xbox One for example. All on a platform where it's completely reasonable to expect much lower sales than you can expect to get on either PS4 or Xbox One. That makes a difficult sell. 

Let me just give you an example. I was part of the team that developed the latest game of a series for PS3/Xbox 360, and during development, we created both versions simultaneously. They used the same assets, the same models, the same animation, the same rigging, very similar rendering effects, the same audio, etc. When a graphic artist of a 3D artist made an asset, it worked on both platforms. The bulk of the development took place over a little over a year period since we could use assets from the previous game. After that game was done and shipped, we were approached by Sony about making a Vita port, so we did. So the same size team, with the same development period worked on taking a game that was already completed, getting it to work on Vita, and then adding a handful of vita-specific features that used the touchscreen, touch pad and gyroscopic controls. That also took a little over a year, and forced us to cut a couple of extra content things the PS3 and Xbox 360 had in order to meet the deadline. That's how much extra work it was to "just downgrade the game". Now, while the disparity between the Switch and PS4 isn't as great as the disparity between PS3 and Vita, much of the same work still has to be done, and it still takes the same amount of time and money to complete.

Downgraded yes, but links you gave show that's far from heavily downgraded. Even PS4 looks better, Switch version still look very good.

You used wrong port like example of your point, it seems that Diablo 3 is very good Switch port.

Any price higher than $300 is DOA unless you think Sony franchises are suit with handheld like Switch with Pokemon and Animal Crossing