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o_O.Q said:
vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

 

"Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. "

 

why don't you believe in efforts for pushing representation of lgbt people?

It's not the effort it's the way people try to do it. You know what would be a great step? Just creating LGBT characters without making headlines beforehand and just let people find out themselves when they consume the media. That will have a much bigger impact because it directly questions the consumers misconceptions about gender and sexuality.

Just have them fuck whatever they want and don't pretend as if it's something special. That's how integration works. We've reached perfect representation when no one even asks what sexuality a person has and rather just sees it and then proceeds to not care.



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vivster said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. "

 

why don't you believe in efforts for pushing representation of lgbt people?

It's not the effort it's the way people try to do it. You know what would be a great step? Just creating LGBT characters without making headlines beforehand and just let people find out themselves when they consume the media. That will have a much bigger impact because it directly questions the consumers misconceptions about gender and sexuality.

Just have them fuck whatever they want and don't pretend as if it's something special. That's how integration works. We've reached perfect representation when no one even asks what sexuality a person has and rather just sees it and then proceeds to not care.

Even better when they don't need to put kisses or anything declared either straight or not, but subtle relationship, glazing, intimacy, etc. Just like in RL for most people. You won't really know the sexuality of most people unless you are friends with them, at most you may know they are married (and that can also be just to shelter).



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Zoombael said:
Mar1217 said:

No. 

You can add everything that isn't heteronormative in the "PLUS" though.

Sub-cultures aren't includable.

I'm pretty sure some furries would disagree wholeheartedly.

I think you're confusing the definition of passion/hobbies and sexuality, my dear.

With that way of thinking, this would mean gamers (another sub-culture) should be included xD



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Mar1217 said:
Zoombael said:

I'm pretty sure some furries would disagree wholeheartedly.

I think you're confusing the definition of passion/hobbies and sexuality, my dear.

With that way of thinking, this would mean gamers (another sub-culture) should be included xD

Sexuality is attraction to something. You can be attracted to a certain gender, age, species, or just everything. If you are into furries that's certainly your sexuality. If you can only get a boner from looking at teapots that's also sexuality.



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vivster said:
Mar1217 said:

I think you're confusing the definition of passion/hobbies and sexuality, my dear.

With that way of thinking, this would mean gamers (another sub-culture) should be included xD

Sexuality is attraction to something. You can be attracted to a certain gender, age, species, or just everything. If you are into furries that's certainly your sexuality. If you can only get a boner from looking at teapots that's also sexuality.

That's just going into an oxymoron.

At this point, I'll just be waiting for the helicopter joke.



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LuccaCardoso1 said:

Hey, I'm going to write an article on LGBT+ characters in video games, and I need some help. Can you help me remember some of them?

1) What do you think are some good and bad examples of LGTB+ representation in video games?

2) How do you feel about the quantity of LGBT+ characters in video games? Do you think there should be more, less or do you think there's enough?

3) Do you think that, in general, LGBT+ characters are well represented in games?

4) Are you LGBT+? (feel free to not answer this question if you don't feel comfortable)

1) Good examples are all instances where this aspect of the character is just natural behavior and nothing else. You play the game, see something and go: "Oh, he's gay." and that's it. these characters simply have relationships the same way that straight characters do and it's no big deal.

Bad examples make a whole song and dance about it, with a character lecturing you about the topic out of nowhere, as if pushing some agenda. It doesn't feel natural or pertaining to the plot of the game, be it space exploration or whatever. I can't really come up with an actual example right now, so I guess I haven't been bothered by it. Well, in Dragon Age Inquisition the transgender thing kind of felt forced and preachy, but it concerned a side character and you really had to talk to him/her in order to come by it, so I guess I brought in on myself.

2) I think the quantity of LGBT+ characters should pretty much reflect reality. The consensus seems to be that gays and lesbians are about 10% of any given population, and other groups even less than that, so I wouldn't expect that to be too different in games because it would not seem plausible or realistic. I think Bioware games sometimes get a bit ridiculous because it seems they have it backwards, like 90% of the characters swing both ways or something. It's like something out of a bad comedy. Well, at least you can choose who to go for according to your taste.

3) For the most part, yes. They're just human beings like everyone else without special emphasis. Isn't that how LGBT+ people would like it, to be accepted as part of the normal?Actually, most games don't even have mechanics for romance or sexuality, so it's a non-issue. You can assign whatever characteristics to whatever character and be pleased.

4) No.



Mar1217 said:
vivster said:

Sexuality is attraction to something. You can be attracted to a certain gender, age, species, or just everything. If you are into furries that's certainly your sexuality. If you can only get a boner from looking at teapots that's also sexuality.

That's just going into an oxymoron.

At this point, I'll just be waiting for the helicopter joke.

Why Oxymoron? You can be sexually attracted to a lot of things. Why would you think that sexuality is limited to humans and human genders?



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vivster said:
Mar1217 said:

That's just going into an oxymoron.

At this point, I'll just be waiting for the helicopter joke.

Why Oxymoron? You can be sexually attracted to a lot of things. Why would you think that sexuality is limited to humans and human genders?

Cuz if you read the "+" definition, you'll see it only including sexuality from human-to-human perspective.

The rest has nothing to do with it or is at least something completly different from the definition.



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Mar1217 said:
vivster said:

Why Oxymoron? You can be sexually attracted to a lot of things. Why would you think that sexuality is limited to humans and human genders?

Cuz if you read the "+" definition, you'll see it only including sexuality from human-to-human perspective.

The rest has nothing to do with it or is at least something completly different from the definition.

The LGBT+ community doesn't define sexuality. They're omitting a whole range of different sexualities not fixated on human genders, which is kinda ironic considering they're all about inclusivity.

It's a community focused on humans, much like PETA is focused on animals.

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LuccaCardoso1 said:

Hey, I'm going to write an article on LGBT+ characters in video games, and I need some help. Can you help me remember some of them?

1) What do you think are some good and bad examples of LGTB+ representation in video games?

2) How do you feel about the quantity of LGBT+ characters in video games? Do you think there should be more, less or do you think there's enough?

3) Do you think that, in general, LGBT+ characters are well represented in games?

4) Are you LGBT+? (feel free to not answer this question if you don't feel comfortable)

1)  Bill from TLOU - The hints were subtle and he wasn't a stereotypical character.  I didn't even know he was gay until my second playthrough (Yeah, I'm clueless).  

2) I think there should be more, but it shouldn't feel forced.  

3)  Mixed.  A character's sexuality shouldn't be main focus of it.  Vivster summarized this "Just creating LGBT characters without making headlines beforehand and just let people find out themselves when they consume the media."  

4)  I'm gay.