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An open letter to the black community of VGC

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PSintend0 said:
contestgamer said:

People make the mistake of thinking criticizing culture is criticizing race. Races are largely the same, it's cultures that are different. Unfortunately those on the left sometimes fall in to the trap of not being able to differentiate between the value of cultures, because they see segments of racial groups that identify with those cultures instead. So you end up with people unable to speak out against certain religions, or segments of population (which may happen to be a smaller race homogeneous section of a population, but which isn't it's defining characteristic) because they identify doing so with speaking out against the race, rather than culture.

So don't be racist (duh). But also don't be someone that can't see the difference between criticizing culture and criticizing race. It's happening a lot nowadays.

Also when you mention this...

"I think fear of the unknown is the biggest driving force for racism. People get tremendously paranoid of bad things that could happen if those people settled nearby and eventually they begin to mistake their frightening fantasies for reality. "

I wonder if you might be confusing cultural concern/protectionism with racism. My friend who is Polish for example does not want the country to take in any refugees from the middle east. Not because he is racist, but because he wants Poland to maintain its national identity and because there is a legitimate concern for security. You might disagree, but that's not the same thing as being racist. Now sometimes those sentiments are coupled with actual racism for sure, but they're not a necessary feature.

Also a lot of people in this thread seem to be judging groups based on small sample sized personal anecdotes. Anecdotes of a few people really cant tell you anything about any single group of the 7 billion people living on this planet.

Huge number of polish people have in the past migrated to other countries like US and UK, not as refugees, but for the money and better life. What would have happened if all of those polish men and women would have been turned away? Some criticize that many refugees are only trying to exploit europe and they don´t need refuge and are only there for money and better life. That often sounds strange as if wanting a better life is somehow wrong or even evil.

The population in Poland is very homogenous and they have almost no immigrants or refugees there. Its a bit strange that often those people in that kind of places seem to fear immigrants and refugees more than people in those places were there are more of them (same in Germany for example). Then again Poland is slipping away from even resempling a democracy and isn´t that good place to live so maybe they are doing all a favour by not taking many refugees.

"Also a lot of people in this thread seem to be judging groups based on small sample sized personal anecdotes. Anecdotes of a few people really cant tell you anything about any single group of the 7 billion people living on this planet."   <-- this part seems to go a bit against all of that cricicizing cultures, because criticizing cultures is often based on generalizations that are made from a small size of personal experiences. How many of you have heard someone criticize islamic culture or islam as a religion? I would imagine that guite many. There is no point in criticizing culture/religion of about 2 billion people it only leads to huge generalizations that don´t match reality. And often those who are loudest to criticize something know very little about the thing that they criticize.


With regards to Roll, good for you! Vgchartz made something that was unknown to you a bit less unknown. Somehow this reminded me of that old  "vgchartz made me gay"-topic that someone made a long time ago :P

 

I dont think the bolded is strange at all. Like I said, some people value their national heritage more than others. Some nations value it more collectively than others. And some of these countries want to protect that heritage by restricting the people living there to those that share the same culture, or more often are children of generations of their country men. I don't see anything wrong with that nor that its inherently racist.

Wanting a better life isn't wrong, but it's not a right. No country has to guarantee you a better life or allow you to join because you want a better life. 

Lastly, as I mentioned there are differences in culture. There are differences in polish immigrants during WW2 who were emigrating to a culturally not too dissimilar place. Not the same, but at that time not too dissimilar either. That's not the case with refugees in Europe right now.

And criticizing culture is based on large sample sizes actually. It's based on crime rates and other statistical factors as it relates to one group or another, and not a few people that one happens to know personally. You might see a two fold difference in certain types of crimes between one group or another, and yet overall obviously a small minority of people engage in it on all sides. Yet that difference is still significant on a macro level.



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RolStoppable said:
Signalstar said:
I'm black. I hate you Rol. I hate you so much. This site is not big enough for the both of us.

Good luck on your new site.

LOL



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Well idk what to say as I am not a black person. I mean my dad grew up in Iran and was (and still is) pretty racist towards black people, so I guess the society can definitely make a big difference. Its good to know you've grown up as a person and cast that part of you aside... then again, you are Rol so I have a hard time believing you as well.

And WTF is with that disgraceful excuse of an "avatar"?

Edit: Read it more clearly this time, and now I see a Rol post xd.

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Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Well, I'm not sure why this needed to be said but I'm surprised by the replies. People accepting your apology confuses the hell out of me. Can I get an apology for the many times you've been a grammar nazi on behalf of all the people using their phones default samsung keyboard? I'm not sure I'll accept but you can try.



 

Everything in the above reply is my opinion, from my own perspective and not representative of reality outside of my own head!

-Android user, please be gentle with critique on my spelling.

John2290 said:
Well, I'm not sure why this needed to be said but I'm surprised by the replies. People accepting your apology confuses the hell out of me. Can I get an apology for the many times you've been a grammar nazi on behalf of all the people using their phones default samsung keyboard? I'm not sure I'll accept but you can try.

I don't know what you mean. People using "of" as a verb has nothing to do with auto-correct.



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Pemalite said:

Morgan Freeman says it best.
Interviewer: "How are we going to get rid of Racism?"
Morgan Freeman: "Stop talking about it!"

It's only an issue because people make it to be an issue... If people stopped bringing up race entirely, stopped seeing race and see the individuals themselves, all the issues disappear.

I think VGC strives to be as equal-opportunity as possible regardless of political conviction, race, gender, sexuality, religion... You name it. And that is fantastic, but people aren't just those descriptors, they are people first.

I use this logic, try to spread it but it always falls flat. Not sure if it was Morgan Freeman who imparted it on me but man did he word that brilliantly and it comes off as wise beyond, even his years then. It's almost like it was a script written by a Tibetan monk. I often forget he is intelligent and godly of camera as he is on it. 



 

Everything in the above reply is my opinion, from my own perspective and not representative of reality outside of my own head!

-Android user, please be gentle with critique on my spelling.

RolStoppable said:
John2290 said:
Well, I'm not sure why this needed to be said but I'm surprised by the replies. People accepting your apology confuses the hell out of me. Can I get an apology for the many times you've been a grammar nazi on behalf of all the people using their phones default samsung keyboard? I'm not sure I'll accept but you can try.

I don't know what you mean. People using "of" as a verb has nothing to do with auto-correct.

Well, I accept your apology. Very well put, too. I'm flattered. 



 

Everything in the above reply is my opinion, from my own perspective and not representative of reality outside of my own head!

-Android user, please be gentle with critique on my spelling.

I think you are still racist to trolls... so...



Apology accepted. That must have been eating away at your conscience for a while now.

Anyway I'd wager most people in Austria are in fact not racist and don't hate black people. I know you said you were part of the racist group but i highly doubt over 50% of Austrians are.



RolStoppable said:
John2290 said:
Well, I'm not sure why this needed to be said but I'm surprised by the replies. People accepting your apology confuses the hell out of me. Can I get an apology for the many times you've been a grammar nazi on behalf of all the people using their phones default samsung keyboard? I'm not sure I'll accept but you can try.

I don't know what you mean. People using "of" as a verb has nothing to do with auto-correct.

I never would of made such a mistake. That would be to much. There grammatical knowledge is clearly lacking. You’re grammar policing is only helping them improve. Nothing too apologize for.

P.S Any grammatical mistakes are completely to blame on my phone. It’s not like I actually look at what I type and can correct at least most of what appears to be off.

 

I can relate to one thing in your story, and that’s the surprise of finding out people I’ve gotten to know online are not *gasp* the default white male. At least I found myself feeling that way mainly around 12+ years ago. But still at times today. Though I’m still not exactly sure why, as I grew up in a fairly diverse community (although mainly white) and I never had anything against black people. If I were to guess, it’s because I used to form a mental image of what people online look or sound like based on what they say. And even though we had people from all walks of life where I grew up, and in my class, it was fairly uncommon that someone would be black. Maybe one person out of every 4th class? So I guess my mind would paint the picture of a light skinned person by default.

For me, getting to know different people online has been a great thing that greatly impacted the course of my life decisions. For choice in studies, carreer, places I’ve lived in, people I’ve met, etc.

But it has also been demotivating in other ways, as I started to feel like there are a lot more dangerously stupid, and racist, (two separate, but not always mutually exclusive problems) people than I inagined. I used to feel like it was almost unthinkable to come across a white supremacist, but people are much less afraid of being more honest and open with their opinions online. Though the vast majority still seem to have the common sense to do so with plausible deniability, and mainly stick to the common dog whistles. But when you see the same people always having negative opinions with racial or gender matters, while sympathizing with certain white/male issues, it starts sending off red flags, to the point where it’s no longer surprising when you press them enough and find out they support ethnic cleansing, etc. But I digress. I usually always prefer to be informed rather than uninformed, so for the most part I appreciate getting to know or understanding people with different mindsets, whether I agree or not. Forums like these can help people grow. While it can also bring out the worst in people.

Last edited by Hiku - on 11 September 2018