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I'm utterly appalled at how fragile the egos of the white race is overall.

Having Ciri played by a minority of some sort - be it black, Asian, middle-eastern, African, Polynesian, whatever - literally takes nothing away from the show. It doesn't change the story, it doesn't bastardize the character, it doesn't upset the original creator, and it doesn't make the show political. All it does is give a different ethnicity some exposure. In an industry that is overwhelmingly controlled and influenced by over-represented caucasians, it does NOT hurt the production to say "maybe we'll give this role to a different ethnicity." If you think it does, you have a fragile ego that can't stand the idea that your kind might be slightly less represented than it has been in the past.

You can hide behind all the faulty rhetoric about how 'a white character needs to always be white' and that 'she should be portrayed as close to original as possible', but that completely misses the point of an adaptation. There will be changes, there will be alterations to what came first, and the world changes in ways that might not be to your liking, it doesn't mean that anyone is attacking you or that the minorities are rising up to crush you.

If the studio wants to seek out a non-white actor for the sake of getting some diversity in their show and it doesn't have a directly negative impact (like making MLK white in an adaptation or something ludicrous like that), then quit your whining. And even if the studio DOES want to make her black to make a statement, that's their prerogative; THAT IS THE NATURE OF ADAPTATION.

The reality is that choosing to cast a non-white actress in the role of a traditionally white fictional character whose skin colour is irrelevant does only good to everything but the fragile egos of borderline racist white folks who are offended at the idea that they might be losing a very small modicum of their representation in the medium. There is no harm in giving a minority of some sort some extra exposure, and if you think there is then you are horribly misguided.

I return to this argument repeatedly but it really should be the final word on the matter: If the character's skin colour isn't an integral part of the story or the character's identity, then there's literally no harm in casting someone of colour in the role. And, given the nature of adaptation, if the showrunner wants to tell a different story, then that's just how it is. The fact that people could get SO upset about this is mindboggling to me. Seriously, get some perspective on life.

Quit doing mental gymnastics in an attempt to justify your prejudice. It's revealing.

 

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Alara317 said:
I'm utterly appalled at how fragile the egos of the white race is overall.

You might get moderated for this. If you word it better I will edit it out of this comment and you probably won't get moderated.

*And possibly for calling them "borderline racists" 



I can't really think of many things that matter less about how this show will eventually turn out.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Alara317 said:
I'm utterly appalled at how fragile the egos of the white race is overall.

You might get moderated for this. If you word it better I will edit it out of this comment and you probably won't get moderated.

*And possibly for calling them "borderline racists" 

I'm white, how is this at all over the line? 



thismeintiel said:

Nice that a casting call that is done just for the sake of virtue signalling other SJWs actually shows who the real racists are.  These people only see color.  Not different ethnic/cultural backgrounds.  So all whites are just white to them, which mean they are to be excluded.  All blacks are just that, black.  And so on and so forth for other POC.  The fact that they actually have an acronym for a call for anyone who's not white, says it all.  They don't care about the character or the acting ability, they are just looking for any token actor to push forward and show how "progressive" they are.

Personally, I've always wanted someone to say that they were making a Jeffersons movie, but as a joke/experiment release a trailer with an all white cast.  Watch the hypocrites have a true meltdown.

FentonCrackshell said:

I agree that they shouldn’t change her and hope they reverse this decision. But when the line “Why can’t they just add some minority background characters?” is uttered I’m lead to believe you’d prefer to see the minorities in the background. And I wasn’t aiming my response at you per sé. It’s just that whenever a character is shifted (especially to black) there’s some huge dust up about it. For instance, Starfire is black in the Titans film and people harassed the actress so much that she had to disable her social media. On the other hand, pretty boy blonde Aquaman has shifted to a scruffy, tattooed, and bearded Samoan and there’s nary a peep. 

 

Look, I don’t want Jason Mamoa to receive backlash for being casted but that’s generally how it works. Black shifts are met with more angst/anger. But back to the topic. It’s dumb to change Ciri. And I hope they don’t because it’ll lead to the series losing fans for no reason which could lead to its failure. But from what I can tell you is that we’re very much used to seeing white casts in media and for the longest time we just watched and enjoyed it. Now they’re adding more minorities and some folks feel threatened by it. 

The thing with your example is that they are not on the same level.  For one, you aren't going to find many people who are that passionate about Aquaman, or DCEU for that matter.  Second, Jason Mamoa does look like Aquaman's redesign where he had one hand, albeit with two hands and Samoan.   And third, there didn't really seem like an agenda behind the casting choice.  I bet it was as simple as them seeing him with long hair and a beard in another film and thought he looked like the newer Aquaman. I could be wrong about the last point, but I don't really remember them pushing it like it was a big deal for "progress."

Starfire, on the other hand, has a passionate following recently thanks to the Teen Titans cartoons.  She looks nothing like her comic book counterpart, which has added insult in the fact that she actually looks like a low dollar prostitute.  Finally, her being black wouldn't really have gotten too much hate if she had lighter skin and was painted/costumed to look like the comics.  The reason it go so much hate was not only does she look nothing like her, but because it just screams forced diversity and, most importantly, the overall project looks like hot garbage.

I see, she just isn’t the right kind of black. The acceptable kind. OK...



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Alara317 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

You might get moderated for this. If you word it better I will edit it out of this comment and you probably won't get moderated.

*And possibly for calling them "borderline racists" 

I'm white, how is this at all over the line? 

Because I've seen moderation for similar statements. 



Alara317 said:

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You keep running to the same old accusations of racism because you have nothing productive to add other than "Minorities have it hard Yo!". You haven't answered me or anyone else regarding the real problems this decision brings to the story and the better alternative to bastardizing the story, create new characters for this adaptation. Why is it necessary to change Ciri from the way she was conceived by her original creator to appease you and the "forced diversity" brigade?. 

"There will be changes, there will be alterations to what came first, and the world changes in ways that might not be to your liking, it doesn't mean that anyone is attacking you or that the minorities are rising up to crush you."

Who is this "you"?. The imaginary white supremacists that you think are against you in this discussion?. Because all I see in this thread are fans of the franchise who don't care for this change. You are fighting an imaginary battle. And again, neither me nor my gf are white yet we both hate this change and we both are fans of this series.That's just anecdotal, what about all the other fans of the series around the world that disagree with this and don't live in the same "diversity quota"-bubble as the US and western Europe?.
 

"You can hide behind all the faulty rhetoric about how 'a white character needs to always be white' and that 'she should be portrayed as close to original as possible',"

You don't have any answers to those asking you questions or pointing at alternatives. From your rather shameful behavior of accusing anyone who disagrees with you of racism or prejudice, you show your own prejudice by your constant attacks on white people. You are so attached to having the moral high ground in this discussion while in reality you only have an opinion, just like anybody else here. The only one hiding here is you. 

"
Quit doing mental gymnastics in an attempt to justify your prejudice. It's revealing."

So much irony in this statement. Take a look in the mirror and you will realize you are using the same tactics of the bigots you seem to hate so much.

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John2290 said:
For the people calling it racism to disagree with this. I wouldn't want a Blade reboot where Blade is a white guy. I wouldn't want an IP man where IP man is a black man. I don't want Doctor who to be a woman.

That's kind of far. Isn't Doctor Who a franchise about someone who regenerates into different Doctor's? I don't see why it can't be a woman. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The Witcher games and books are sexist that they decided to counter-balance it with some positivity for once on the Netflix side of things

Nicely done

Yea, they counterbalanced it by being racist too. Great job. Facepalm



contestgamer said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The Witcher games and books are sexist that they decided to counter-balance it with some positivity for once on the Netflix side of things

Nicely done

Yea, they counterbalanced it by being racist too. Great job. Facepalm

You're right. If they get every ism in the franchise than I'd say it is pretty balanced.