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Does the inclusion of women in BFV bother you?

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HintHRO said:

So Capcom had to include white zombies in RE5 while you won't ever encounter so many white people in Africa.

Not true as far as I remember. Do you have some screenshots of the white zombies they inserted after the critizism?



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Well, when I think of skin in RE5, I can only remember this:

 

 

 

 



Push of narratives that seem forced, like making a medieval game in Europe and putting quotas for woman, black, asian, gay etc as character even if greatly against what was the demographic. To focus story on progressive narrative instead of making a great game.



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Conina said:
Faelco said:

I never use that term, but Battlefield is a good example of rewriting history to make it fit with the morals that some people have today.

Like making Achilles or a British Queen black.

Or like making Jesus white (looking like a Middle European instead of Middle Eastern ethnicity)

Well ... if you are not aware both Middle European and Middle Eastern are same race - white. And what alt right supporters think will not change this fact.

@LuccaCardoso1
Imagine someone making a film about the life of Martin Luther King and placing a white blond Swedish female to play the role. There will be a revolt in some neighborhoods, believe me. There is no problem having woman in video games or movies, there is a problem when you put them just for the sake of it. Examples how to do it right in games: Diablo, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, Beyond Good & Evil.

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Dragon Age: Inquisition had more or less the demographic profile of the modern United States despite being set on a medieval copy of Great Britain and France, and inexplicably had modern atittutes towards transsexuality etc. as well.

Of course, the writers are free to make up a world emotionally appealing to their political views (since I believe indulging in idiosyncracies make fantasy more unique) but don't expect it to be free of criticism, specially if it looks dumb and strains suspension of disbelief.

That's the sort of thing that irks me, when it's absolutely forced and silly.



 

 

 

 

 

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Conina said:
Faelco said:

I never use that term, but Battlefield is a good example of rewriting history to make it fit with the morals that some people have today.

Like making Achilles or a British Queen black.

Or like making Jesus white (looking like a Middle European instead of Middle Eastern ethnicity)

For the Ethiopian Church, Jesus is depicted as being black. It's normal for Jesus to be depicted as the same ethnicity as those who design the image.

Same thing with Buddha being eastern Asian on its statues despite being a first millenium A.C. upper class northern Indian, meaning he probably looked more like an Iranian or Russian more than a modern Indian or eastern Asian man. He's even reputed to have had golden skin and blue eyes.

I don't think any of that is rewriting story or any of that shit.

Mods: sorry for the double post, the quote system was somehow broken on my browser.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:

Dragon Age: Inquisition had more or less the demographic profile of the modern United States despite being set on a medieval copy of Great Britain and France, and inexplicably had modern atittutes towards transsexuality etc. as well.

Of course, the writers are free to make up a world emotionally appealing to their political views (since I believe indulging in idiosyncracies make fantasy more unique) but don't expect it to be free of criticism, specially if it looks dumb and strains suspension of disbelief.

That's the sort of thing that irks me, when it's absolutely forced and silly.

Dude Dragon Age is a fantasy world, FANTASY.

Does the game having 8 kinds of humanoids apart from humans also irk you?



Ka-pi96 said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

The problem is when people see politics when there isn't any. Yes, EA execs brought up misogyny and so on, but even before they said anything, when the trailer first came out, people were accusing DICE of being left-winged for having a woman as one of the main characters. Like, wtf? Representing people other than white cis hetero males is not a question of political view, it's just representativity. We shouldn't be attributing sides and polarizing something that just shows us how diverse we are as a species. I can't wrap my head around how someone opposes the thought of having different ethnicities, genders, sexualities et cetera represented.

The videogame industry is so far behind when it comes to diversity. While we have films such as Call Me by Your Name or Moonlight winning Oscars, I can't remember a single big game where the main character was gay. Just look at last year's TGA. In the main categories, all games with fixed main characters follow the same pattern regarding them: 1) If they're human, they're white. 2) If they have a partner, it's from the opposite sex. Both topics are true for 100% of all main characters in games with a fixed main character (no physical appearance customization other than clothing) running for GOTY, Game Direction, Narrative, Art Direction, Score/Music and Audio Design.

That's absolutely a political view as soon as you mentioned that. It sounds like you're saying you want everything to be represented equally at award shows and the like, which is not only a political opinion but is also quite frankly ridiculous. "diversity" shouldn't matter a jot for awards and the like, the only thing that should matter is how good the games are.

It's like awhile back when people complained about a lack of black people nominated for oscars, now I'm not a big movie watcher so maybe there were some great performances by black actors that year in which case you could justify some of the criticism, but otherwise it's absolutely ridiculous to claim that people should be nominated for awards (or even win them) just because of the colour of their skin. No, they should actually have done well enough to deserve an award. It shouldn't matter whether those nominated are 100% white or 0% white, the only thing that should matter is that they're 100% of those that did the best.

You got me wrong. I'm not saying that games with more diverse casts should be nominated instead, I indeed think that the nominated games were the best in that year, I'm just saying that it's a shame that none of the best games of the year have a diverse cast of characters.



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Things I consider to be part of the SJW agenda

-Diversity that feels forced. BFV is a prime example of this category, as it features women fighting in combat roles for armies that specifically forbade women from serving in combat roles. Another hypothetical example would be a game set in the rural US that has as many black, hispanic, Asian, native American, etc. characters as white characters. In most rural areas in the US whites make up at least 70% of the total population according to census data (my own county, which is rural, is 95% white as of the 2010 census, while the largest city in my county is 85% white), having a ton of minority characters in such a game would be an example of forced diversity. Another example would be an RPG with a party that covers just about every race just to check-off the diversity box. 

-Anti-religious themes, particularly anti-Christian themes. SJW's can't stand Christians because the Bible speaks against a number of causes that they support, such as abortion and the LGBT movement, and many SJW's also have a problem with other religions for the same reason. As a result, some SJW developers will inject anti-religious themes into their games.

-Forced LGBT romance scenes featuring playable characters or common LGBT public displays of affection featuring NPC's. An example of this would be the lesbian kiss in TLOU2, as it is a forced story event as far as we know, not an optional romance option.

-Censoring or toning down of violence, in some misguided attempt to prevent school shootings or some other such nonsense. 

-Modern Left-wing ideals showing up in historical games where modern left-wing ideals didn't exist.

-Left-wing poltics showing up in modern or future setting games, unless they are countered by right-wing politics that are portrayed in a non-villainous way. 

-Removal of potentially offensive iconography because some wimp might not be able to handle seeing it. An example would be the removal of the Swastika from Battlefield V and CoD WW2 last year. 

-Censoring or toning down of sexy costumes. Some examples of this would be Nintendo of America/Europe not releasing Japanese DLC costumes for a number of games in recent years, because the outfits are sexy. Another example would be the seeming removal of sexy costumes in DoA 6 so far. 

-Feminists like Anita Sarkeesian who want to get rid of sexy female playable characters, under some misguided belief that it places unrealistic expectations on women or some other such nonsense, yet are ok with sexy male playable characters. 

-Attempts to block niche Japanese visual novels from release in the west because they contain sexual content.

 

Things I don't consider to be part of the SJW agenda

-Female playable characters or racial minority characters that make sense for the time period or geographical setting of the game. I have zero problems with female playable characters at all as long as they match the setting and don't feel forced, and even prefer them over male playable characters in many instances, frequently choosing female if there is a choice in game, like the upcoming AC Odyssey. Likewise I have no problem with minority race playable characters or party members as long as they match the setting.

-Optional LGBT romances. Bioware has had LGBT romance options since Juhani in KOTOR way back in 2003, and with only one exception (DA: Origins) I never had a problem with it because it never felt forced. DA:O was a different matter though, Zevran threw himself at me the whole game, which was quite annoying. As long as a developer makes this kind of content entirely optional I have zero problems with it.

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Ka-pi96 said:
JWeinCom said:


This is not a history lesson, or a book that claims to be an accurate betrayal of world war 2.  It's a game with a primary purpose of entertaining.  If they think the game would be more entertaining with women, that's their business.  

Do you take objection to X-Men first class implying mutants were responsible for the cuban missile crisis?  Was that also rewriting history?

heh, intentional, or just hilariously ironic mistake?

Oh, and just saying "that's how the devs intended it" does NOT protect it from criticism. People have every right to criticise the way the devs intended the game.

Whoopsie.  That's an amusing error.

On the point, I didn't say you couldn't criticize it.  If you don't like it you don't like it.  But comparing it to 1984 is just silly.