GhaudePhaede010 said:
Ahhhh. You are that guy, are you? Well, present me more sophisticated statistics on the topic, please. Hopefully, you created the example you will set up yourself. That would be preference. The probability means something to me. If there is a chance that there is a God; a legitimate one at that, I am willing to hear that out. And we are talking about God. God means, "creator" so I am not speaking on religion as a whole; rather, if there is a creator. I am a Muslim but my religion is not of consequence to my belief in God as my religion is my discipline to myself and God but only because I believe in both myself and God regardless of my religion. You are correct on that third point. I could also replace God with nonfictional characters... ...like man. Man creates things all the time, such as simulations of, "life" in video games. In other words, man is also a God to its creations. It could work with anything, really. The question is not, "is God proven to be real?" so the argument you are raising is misplaced anyway. The question is about if I have a faith in God and why I have it. I have answered and explained and there is nothing you can reasonably do - outside of show me concrete and absolute proof to the contrary - to change my mind. On the other hand, I assume the same of you and therefore, I respect your opinion. |
I don't know what you mean by "that" guy. Statistics on what? Unproven concepts?
If that probability means something to you than you are grasping at straws, simply because that formula is made on no real basis. Math is objective correct. If I present you a formula which is either 1+1= 2, E=m*c² or P=I*U than we can all agree on the "truth" contained by these equations. They are testable and verifiable.
But that formula on yours which is made of these variables:
Recognition of goodness
Existence of moral evil
Esistence of natural evil
Intra-natural miracles
Extra-natural miracles
Religious Experience
is simply pure subjective nonsense. How do you determine these values and how do you verify them? You have to be objective on this part, so we all speak the same language. You can't just invent definitions on variables and conclude that this is the case. It means absolutely nothing. Especially on a concept of a god where every human, be it theist / atheist, give unequal qualities/characteristics to that god.
How likely is it that my feline goddess Neko exists? Oh, 67%. There you go. Here are the variables I used:
Recognition of all that is feline (D=10
Existence of moral cat haters (D=0,5)
Existence of natural cat haters (D=0,1)
Intra-natural miracles (D=2)
Extra-natural miracles (like cats having 9 lives) (D=1)
Religious Experience with cats. (D=2)
All hail Neko, right? I'm sorry if it sounds like I am mocking you, but that's just what you want to sell us.
Yes, you have your right to believe in whatever you want. But I am not that one who has to provide proof of the contrary. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim and that is on the concept of a god. I am not convinced by what you are presenting so I simply reject your concept. I don't have to proof that it is wrong.
"God means, "creator" so I am not speaking on religion as a whole; rather, if there is a creator."
And here starts the problem: God means whatever you want it to mean. Since you've said that you are a Muslim, your God is that of Islam, not of Christianity, not of Judaism and not of any other religion out there. The Jewish god doesn't have a child which goes by the name of Jesus. He has different characteristics than the one in Christianity and even Islam. But besides that, we have still to determine which god you are talking about. Is it a personal god or one who only kickstart the universe and went to do other businesses? You can't just say that you are speaking of a creator without defining one. It doesn't work that way.
" but my religion is not of consequence to my belief in God "
Sure it is. Without that religion you wouldn't believe in your god in the first place, nor be labeled as a Muslim.
"The question is not, "is God proven to be real?" so the argument you are raising is misplaced anyway. The question is about if I have a faith in God and why I have it. "
Sure you can have faith in a God. I am not taking it away, I just point out the flaws in your argument and reasoning. Also, I didn't raised "is God proven to be real?" as a argument, I just pointed out how flawed that formula is which you use to determine the probability of his existence.
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