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What will be the final Metacritic score Average?

>94 14 9.66%
 
90-94 48 33.10%
 
85-89 68 46.90%
 
80-84 13 8.97%
 
75-79 0 0%
 
70-74 2 1.38%
 
<70 0 0%
 
Total:145
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:

If he took 5-15 points because of lack of pushing the genre in a meaningful way ok. And if he doesn't put issues or errors you could understand as "perfecting the genre" if you want.

 

But he took 30 points, that is exaggerated. Unless they usually take 30 on average just on that it already points a grave error on their score.

First of all, that implies that every game starts out as a 10/10 and then gets reduced points from there.  A game has to work to get a certain score. A 7/10 isn't 3 points from the base score, it's 7. You don't start a  game assuming it's a 10/10. Don't look at it like it got deducted 3 points, look at it as if it earned 7. I guess it's whether you're a glass half full or glass half empty kind of guy. 

There is actually quite a lot of complaints in the review, a few of which have nothing to do with innovation. So again, you're wrong. A summary is supposed to give you the most basic idea of what to expect from a game quality-wise. That summary is pretty good because the main gripe the writer had was not just the lack of innovation, but the consequential repetition as a result. If you do not want to go and read the review, at the very least do not assume every negative detailed is tied in to some pretentious notion of innovation. Because the points made are actually good. I and many other people might not agree with them, but it is far from an unconvincing review. 

No, your defense of the score falls on its own weight when the person says it's the best spiderman or how much love it is in the game... they already portrayed the game as great and then go and deduct points.

And hardly any game would start from 0 on score since unless the game is utter garbage it won't average below 50.



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DonFerrari said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

First of all, that implies that every game starts out as a 10/10 and then gets reduced points from there.  A game has to work to get a certain score. A 7/10 isn't 3 points from the base score, it's 7. You don't start a  game assuming it's a 10/10. Don't look at it like it got deducted 3 points, look at it as if it earned 7. I guess it's whether you're a glass half full or glass half empty kind of guy. 

There is actually quite a lot of complaints in the review, a few of which have nothing to do with innovation. So again, you're wrong. A summary is supposed to give you the most basic idea of what to expect from a game quality-wise. That summary is pretty good because the main gripe the writer had was not just the lack of innovation, but the consequential repetition as a result. If you do not want to go and read the review, at the very least do not assume every negative detailed is tied in to some pretentious notion of innovation. Because the points made are actually good. I and many other people might not agree with them, but it is far from an unconvincing review. 

No, your defense of the score falls on its own weight when the person says it's the best spiderman or how much love it is in the game... they already portrayed the game as great and then go and deduct points.

And hardly any game would start from 0 on score since unless the game is utter garbage it won't average below 50.

It's not about "starting" at any score though. That's the point. It's about how much a game earns. It earned a 7/10 from him. 

And best Spiderman game? It's not like Spiderman has a long running reputation of great games. It just has Spiderman 2 on PS2 really. (Actually apparently Spider Man on PS1 too, which is weird, never even hear people talk about it ever ...)  

Any game can have any amount of love for any subject, that doesn't mean it's inherently great. All he was saying was that it respected the character of Spider Man, that doesn't instantly negate any score under an 8. 

I really do not understand what is up with this site and people just being completely ridiculous about scores. This was the same situation with Zelda and God of War ... it just seems like more of a vocal minority for Spider Man than it was for those games. Seriously, you're critiquing a review you didn't even read (well now you probably did because this is the 2nd time I brought this up) because you think all the criticisms are summarized in one sentence. As a summary it works because that's the main gripe; not only is it not innovative from his perspective, but it is repetitive due to that. However summaries are not the meats and bones, the review is. 



KLXVER said:
flashfire926 said:

Uhhh...what? Uncharted 4 is  >8.7m, Horizon is >7.6m, and GOW did like 3 million in two days. Yet Spiderman is an ip known across the world, and the marketing push Sony is giving the game is seemingly more larger than even what those 3 games got.

Anecdotal evidence, but I have PS4 playing friends who haven't even heard of horizon but are super hyped for this.

So Spiderman will sell just because its a more known IP? Not only that but 2-3 times more than any superhero game has ever sold on a single platform?

Not just because it's more known ip. It's that combined with Sony's huge marketing campaign, combined with the positive reception of the game, two things most non-arkham superhero games has never achieved.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
method114 said:
"The best Spider-Man game ever made… but only just, since it fails to move the superhero video game genre forward in any important way." - 7/10

lol what kind of review is this? Not only do you have to make good game but your better move the genre forward in an important way. That's quite a challenge devs have on their hands when making games.

That's what happens when you have reviewers that have never worked in the industry or even learned the process of creating games. Imagine if other things were reviewed with that mindset. 

"This car has excellent gas mileage, but since it doesn't allow me to fly I give it a 7/10."

"This CPU is competitively priced, has a eight cores, hyperthreading, and a  4.3 ghz clockspeed equal to the competition. But since it doesn't go any faster than competitors I give it 7/10."

"This weightlifter just benched 1075 lbs, but since that isn't anything more than the current world record I give him a 7/10."

Basically what this reviewer is saying is that Spider-Man can't just be a top-quality game. No, no, no! It has to move the definition of quality even further along! I don't have a problem with a score of 7/10. That's fine. But the idea that games have to perpetually improve or else they won't get top marks is ridiculous. If someone told me that there was a new JRPG as good as Chrono Trigger I'd be jumping for joy. If that same person said, "Oh, but it's only as good as Chrono Trigger, and that's a 20 year old game, so I'll pass", I'd smack them across the top of their head. 

This idea that games must not only match the best in their genres, but somehow continually improve on them, is what I'm coining "The Edge review mentality". Why? Because Edge Magazine has had this mentality for years. And they are one of the worst review publications I have ever read. Their scores make zero sense whatsoever, even when they hand out good scores. 

Edit: Ok, the reviewer in question actually had more real complaints. But his final line, blurb, or whatever you call it is horribly written,and gives the impression that he has the Edge review mentality. But my above comments still apply to Edge wholeheartedly. 

Ironic example to use here. The reason Chrono Trigger is so highly praised is because it was revolutionary for it's time and is known for pushing the boundries in several ways. If someone just made a game of the same standard as Chrono Trigger today it'd still be a great game, but you couldn't put it on the same level since it wouldn't have the same significance.
Not saying Spider-Man is just a clone of the Arkham games, or that the Arkham games were wholly original themselves, but this definitely builds on the framework that was set by them, and apparently doesn't do enough to be praised as groundbreaking in it's own right.

Not sure why people can't swallow that this game is only great.

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John2290 said:
I played about teo and a half hours there. It's...okay? So far. Nothing mind blowing but very solid traversal and the idea for the combat ia brilliant but it can get pretty messy with large groups and the camera can get anoying. The city is huge, it's a joy to be spiderman and I love splitting the pacing to play as Peter and his life, however I have one serious complaint. There is way to many towers and the map is blocked off into snall chunks with activating the many towers. It's very 2007 style, open world stuff here and I wish they had pulled back on that and reduced the numbers of towers like in Horizon ZD and the like where they feel like mire solid events.
Anyway; regardless of no mind blowing stuff I'm having fun and I have gotten wowed by the visuals and attention to detail. Just strutting around in slow blocked up traffic is and the city streets is fantastic. Traversal is where it shines for sure. Hope they patch the combat to be a bit less glitchy. Oh and the hacking as peter and science mini games to relate to his worn is done perfectly and it's rather fun too.

How'd you manage to get an early copy? The game isn't out until tomorrow. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
John2290 said:
I played about teo and a half hours there. It's...okay? So far. Nothing mind blowing but very solid traversal and the idea for the combat ia brilliant but it can get pretty messy with large groups and the camera can get anoying. The city is huge, it's a joy to be spiderman and I love splitting the pacing to play as Peter and his life, however I have one serious complaint. There is way to many towers and the map is blocked off into snall chunks with activating the many towers. It's very 2007 style, open world stuff here and I wish they had pulled back on that and reduced the numbers of towers like in Horizon ZD and the like where they feel like mire solid events.
Anyway; regardless of no mind blowing stuff I'm having fun and I have gotten wowed by the visuals and attention to detail. Just strutting around in slow blocked up traffic is and the city streets is fantastic. Traversal is where it shines for sure. Hope they patch the combat to be a bit less glitchy. Oh and the hacking as peter and science mini games to relate to his worn is done perfectly and it's rather fun too.

How'd you manage to get an early copy? The game isn't out until tomorrow. 

It's already 7th September in Europe, Asia, Australia, etc.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
John2290 said:
I played about teo and a half hours there. It's...okay? So far. Nothing mind blowing but very solid traversal and the idea for the combat ia brilliant but it can get pretty messy with large groups and the camera can get anoying. The city is huge, it's a joy to be spiderman and I love splitting the pacing to play as Peter and his life, however I have one serious complaint. There is way to many towers and the map is blocked off into snall chunks with activating the many towers. It's very 2007 style, open world stuff here and I wish they had pulled back on that and reduced the numbers of towers like in Horizon ZD and the like where they feel like mire solid events.
Anyway; regardless of no mind blowing stuff I'm having fun and I have gotten wowed by the visuals and attention to detail. Just strutting around in slow blocked up traffic is and the city streets is fantastic. Traversal is where it shines for sure. Hope they patch the combat to be a bit less glitchy. Oh and the hacking as peter and science mini games to relate to his worn is done perfectly and it's rather fun too.

How'd you manage to get an early copy? The game isn't out until tomorrow. 

I got my copy at 9 pm.



John2290 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

How'd you manage to get an early copy? The game isn't out until tomorrow. 

The preload unlocked at 12am here in Ireland, GMT time. :D 

I live right smack dab in the middle of america, and it is currently the 6th, and 9:36 PM here. But you've already gotten 10 hours into the game? Is Ireland 22 hours ahead of the USA or what? Damn. 



Omw to get my copy, here's hoping my store already got their stock.



             

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