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pokoko on 07 August 2018
irstupid said:

NO.

The free market is all 100% about market prices and how supply and demand dictate economy prices without government intervention in regulating the market.

I know you love to look up Wikipedia, so go ahead and do so. You will find that I am correct.

Thus as I said, the free market would put those people out business if what they did truly offended people. People would quit listening to Alex Jones and he would make no money talking online and thus no longer do it. The bakery would have no customers and thus make no money and go out of business. No one would watch rosseane and the company thus would make no advertising dollars and pull the show.

Again, all ECONOMICS related with no government regulations. That is the free market.

Just as the government coming and regulating how much a company can charge goes against the free market, a company firing someone or banning someone for their own single policy is against free market. Free market is solely determined by the consumers. If consumers want the product and consume, then the free market dictates what the price of said product is. If there is no demand, there is no more supply.

A company deciding what content they provide is NOT the same as the government regulating prices.

It's supply AND demand.  Supply is every bit as important as demand.  A free market is not just about consumers, it's also about suppliers.  In a free market, suppliers have the freedom to decide what they supply.  Otherwise, it would be a regulated market.  You can't ignore half the equation.  

You're wrong on that point.



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contestgamer on 07 August 2018

These platforms should be regulated as public utilities. Public conversations now happen through these platforms and free speech rights should extend to them by law. Disgusting that they banned AJ, these companies have zero principles. And all the people pushing them to ban him are disgusting bullies themselves. They should be shunned by society.



contestgamer on 07 August 2018
SpokenTruth said:
contestgamer said:
These platforms should be regulated as public utilities. Public conversations now happen through these platforms and free speech rights should extend to them by law. Disgusting that they banned AJ, these companies have zero principles. And all the people pushing them to ban him are disgusting bullies themselves. They should be shunned by society.

Even if they were protected exactly as the 1st amendment states, this is still as TOS violation and has nothing to do with Congress creating a law prohibiting Alex Jones speech from that platform.

TOS would be changed, because the TOS would have to comply with the spirit of the first amendment. Currently the TOS prohibits a bunch of BS that's perfectly fine according to the first amendment. These platforms shouldnt be policing people and trying to remove bad apples. All they do is isolate them, and isolated people sometimes end up being more dangerous then when they're out in the open spewing their stupid BS. Just let him speak, I doubt most people are stupid enough to believe him anyway. And those that do, well they're already so stupid we shouldn't be wasting time trying to protect them from themselves.



Alara317 on 07 August 2018
numberwang said:

Where are the advocates for a free and open internet now?

Alexander Emric Jones aka Alex Jones the Infowarrior has been banned from nearly all important media platforms in a coordinated strike on the same day.

Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify ban Infowars' Alex Jones

All but one of the major content platforms have banned the American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, as the companies raced to act in the wake of Apple’s decision to remove five podcasts by Jones and his Infowars website.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/06/apple-removes-podcasts-infowars-alex-jones

Remember when the scam called net neutrality (government FCC control over the internet) was preached by Google, YouTube, Apple to guarantee a free internet for all?

I predict that supporters of net neutrality are going to defend this.

Are you kidding me? You DO realize that no social media platform is obligated to host what amounts to 'legally safe not-quite hate speech', right? Like, Why are you arguing for 'free internet' in favor of Alex Jones spewing his verbal trash, but aren't in favor of Facebook or Apple or Youtube expressing their right to not allow his nonsense on their sites? 

IT's like the 'free speech vs censorship' argument on a whole other level. 

Stop being a hypocrite. 

Alex jones is legally allowed to say what he wants, but that doesn't give him the right to do so wherever he wants. If Facebook says no, well that's just how this shit works. No private company is legally forced to operate as a platform for those they don't wish to associate with. THAT is freedom. 

Get over yourself. 



teamsilent13 on 07 August 2018

Alex Jones is a meme, but I do sometimes agree with him. I obviously support Trump like him, but sometimes for different reasons. Here is a nice video to show that Jones gay frog meme is actually backed by scientific studies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJQdAL8Q_bg



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contestgamer on 07 August 2018
SpokenTruth said:
contestgamer said:

TOS would be changed, because the TOS would have to comply with the spirit of the first amendment. Currently the TOS prohibits a bunch of BS that's perfectly fine according to the first amendment. These platforms shouldnt be policing people and trying to remove bad apples. All they do is isolate them, and isolated people sometimes end up being more dangerous then when they're out in the open spewing their stupid BS. Just let him speak, I doubt most people are stupid enough to believe him anyway. And those that do, well they're already so stupid we shouldn't be wasting time trying to protect them from themselves.

You aren't that familiar with the 1st Amendment, are you?  I'll give you a few minutes to go look it up and see precisely what it covers.

I really hope you're trolling.

It seems that you arent. It covers hateful speech. These platforms prohibit hateful speech. Manage them as a public utility so that hateful speech can be allowed. It's shameful that we live in a society now where we have so many people that are scared to see something offensive on FB to the point they want them banned and regulated. You dont like AJ? dont visit his FB or Youtube. Guess what, that's worked for me just fine. 



contestgamer on 07 August 2018
Alara317 said:
numberwang said:

Where are the advocates for a free and open internet now?

Alexander Emric Jones aka Alex Jones the Infowarrior has been banned from nearly all important media platforms in a coordinated strike on the same day.

Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify ban Infowars' Alex Jones

All but one of the major content platforms have banned the American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, as the companies raced to act in the wake of Apple’s decision to remove five podcasts by Jones and his Infowars website.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/06/apple-removes-podcasts-infowars-alex-jones

Remember when the scam called net neutrality (government FCC control over the internet) was preached by Google, YouTube, Apple to guarantee a free internet for all?

I predict that supporters of net neutrality are going to defend this.

Are you kidding me? You DO realize that no social media platform is obligated to host what amounts to 'legally safe not-quite hate speech', right? Like, Why are you arguing for 'free internet' in favor of Alex Jones spewing his verbal trash, but aren't in favor of Facebook or Apple or Youtube expressing their right to not allow his nonsense on their sites? 

IT's like the 'free speech vs censorship' argument on a whole other level. 

Stop being a hypocrite. 

Alex jones is legally allowed to say what he wants, but that doesn't give him the right to do so wherever he wants. If Facebook says no, well that's just how this shit works. No private company is legally forced to operate as a platform for those they don't wish to associate with. THAT is freedom. 

Get over yourself. 

Well then they should be turned in to public utilities so that free speech is allowed on all these platforms. Your argument is basically that Facebook is exercising its free speech by not allowing someone elses. That makes no sense. If FB disapproves of his message then make a post or speech about it and combat it that way. What they're doing is censorship. This is a symptom of that disturbing push we have in our society to make our communities more inclusive, safer and tolerant of eachother. But we achieve this by being intolerant to those on the fringes.



pokoko on 07 August 2018
contestgamer said:
These platforms should be regulated as public utilities. Public conversations now happen through these platforms and free speech rights should extend to them by law. Disgusting that they banned AJ, these companies have zero principles. And all the people pushing them to ban him are disgusting bullies themselves. They should be shunned by society.

The United States is not a Communist country.  No one here supports the idea of the government controlling media content, especially not conservatives.  Neither side is going to support that kind of governmental regulation, the Supreme Court would never allow it, and it would never make it through Congress.  Just a nightmare waiting to happen.



contestgamer on 07 August 2018
pokoko said:
contestgamer said:
These platforms should be regulated as public utilities. Public conversations now happen through these platforms and free speech rights should extend to them by law. Disgusting that they banned AJ, these companies have zero principles. And all the people pushing them to ban him are disgusting bullies themselves. They should be shunned by society.

The United States is not a Communist country.  No one here supports the idea of the government controlling media content, especially not conservatives.  Neither side is going to support that kind of governmental regulation, the Supreme Court would never allow it, and it would never make it through Congress.  Just a nightmare waiting to happen.

We already regulate some companies as public utilities. It's nothing new. It's what would allow freedom of speech on these platforms. What's happening right now is whats more akin to communist countries, where we have a handful of oligarchs controlling 90% of online discourse and picking choosing who gets to partake and who doesn't.



contestgamer on 07 August 2018

Eeryone keeps bringing up the TOS argument, without questioning whether that TOS makes any sense. What if FB's TOS was updated and said "we will no longer allow african americans to make videos on our platform.: I mean thats ok, because its their TOS? No it isnt.

Him breaking their TOS is not a sound argument, because their TOS is absolute BS that prioritizes creating a safe echo chamber for socially minded people.