Filtered news? Color me surprised.
Do you feel well informed by TYT? | |||
Yes, I received all the info that I needed | 2 | 11.76% | |
Of coooouuuuurseee! | 2 | 11.76% | |
Wait a minute...? | 8 | 47.06% | |
5 | 29.41% | ||
Total: | 17 |
Hiku said:
I don't understand how a 30 year old woman could plausibly believe that a 91 year old man would be able to kidnap her child right in front of her? |
1. You can't always tell age just by looking at someone.
2. Just because someone is 91 doesn't prevent them from being able to do great or terrible things.
3. Being 30 doesn't prevent stupidity.
The focus of the story was not their speculation about her political affiliation, but as the title suggests, that it was a racist attack. Which is why they started off the segment with the facts, before they moved on to speculation. And there's no problem in doing that as long as you follow up on the story when additional information becomes public. Which they did. They made a video including her name and ethnicity. |
Okay, for now on anything that goes wrong I will just blame the left wingers without proof. Hey, an innoncent cop got shot today? Those damn leftist black live matters activist group strike again!
Edit: I just check the early comments in the videos and the commentors knew she was black. So there are two options. 1. TYT was lazy pieces of shit and didn't do their research which could be true. 2. They are trying to paint a picture to demonize whites yet again.
I am going with number 2 because if it was a white person you bet your ass they would put "white" in the title some how.
Last edited by Snoopy - on 15 July 2018Hiku said: I really don't want to spend my time defending TYT... because I certainly have issues with their fearmongering among other things. But if you're going to critique someone, at least do it fairly.
Typical of TYT, they followed up on the story the very next day in a video with relevant information about the woman. Including her name and ethnicity.
It was the old man who bumped into the child, so I'm not sure what you mean by "Bumping into a toddler=Right-wing fascism"?
The focus of the story was not their speculation about her political affiliation, but as the title suggests, that it was a racist attack. Which is why they started off the segment with the facts, before they moved on to speculation. And there's no problem in doing that as long as you follow up on the story when additional information becomes public. Which they did the next day with a video featuring her name and ethnicity. But hey, at least they lost their last bit of credibility with you for the right reasons.
The focus of the story was not their speculation about her political affiliation, but as the title suggests, that it was a racist attack. Which is why they started off the segment with the facts, before they moved on to speculation. And there's no problem in doing that as long as you follow up on the story when additional information becomes public. Which they did. They made a video including her name and ethnicity.
They did post a video featuring the woman's name and ethnicity the next day. They also reported about the woman with the Puerto Rico shirt.
I don't understand how a 30 year old woman could plausibly believe that a 91 year old man would be able to kidnap her child right in front of her?
The Young Turks have made no secret of the fact that that Trump does have black, asian, hispanic, native american, etc supporters. |
Im not angry at TYT for calling the woman a racist when she clearly is. I'm angry at them for 2 things.
1.The plurality of the word racists. This implies that it was more then one person, when clearly it was only 1 black women with some pent up aggression. Clearly this improper word was meant to push narrative over factual substance.
2.The idea of associating it with right-wing fascists. This is a spin so hard that a tire holds no bearing in comparison. It was a downright lie to imply that more than one person beat this man when it confirms one lady hit him with a brick, but it's something entirely different to turn it into a political narrative when politics clearly had no influence in this woman's mental state.
TYT considers themselves a legitimate news source, and if that is what they want to be, they have to get everything correct. If they want to be another agenda driven company like MSNBC or Fox, that's perfectly fine. Just don't pass yourselves off as unbiased and completely legitimate. To me though TYT has always wanted to be like CNN, and I would say at this point as a right leaning libertarian that both MSNBC and Fox are far superior to CNN. Both these companies express their biases clearly, whereas CNN tries to be like the New York Times (which is also losing credibility) in terms of news. CNN has the bias of MSNBC, but act like they are completely fair, which is a downright lie if you watch their programming for more than 5 seconds.
Again, if TYT wants to be a branch with left wing agenda, that is perfectly fine, there's just a couple rules. Don't ever let your biases clearly get in the way of the actual facts, and never promote spin pieces that can result in your audience inciting violence against the other side. They did the second no no in this piece when they acted as if right wing fascists are rising up and causing mayhem when in reality it is not the case, and when companies do this, they need to be called out for it.
TH3-D0S3R said: Im not angry at TYT for calling the woman a racist when she clearly is. I'm angry at them for 2 things. 1.The plurality of the word racists. This implies that it was more then one person, when clearly it was only 1 black women with some pent up aggression. Clearly this improper word was meant to push narrative over factual substance. 2.The idea of associating it with right-wing fascists. This is a spin so hard that a tire holds no bearing in comparison. It was a downright lie to imply that more than one person beat this man when it confirms one lady hit him with a brick, but it's something entirely different to turn it into a political narrative when politics clearly had no influence in this woman's mental state. |
...but more than one person did beat the man. They said that during the beating, the woman called over other men who then joined into the beating.
sundin13 said: ...but more than one person did beat the man. They said that during the beating, the woman called over other men who then joined into the beating. |
Here's the issue. These stories have nuance to them and most people tend to pick a side and only look at the information that supports their own belief. Yes there were other people who joined in on the attack but this was in response to the original woman telling these other people that the man tried to take her daughter. Clearly they joined in for reasons that didn't have anything to do with racism.
Also Cenk of the Young Turks literally said this in the original report: "Who picks up a brick and beats a 91 year old man over the head with it while shouting go back to your country? Well, I'll tell you who does. Insane, racist, right-wingers encouraged by the current administration."
"They are among us man. They walk among us. They hate people that don't look like them and now they have bricks. I used to call them the brick voters, the people who support Donald Trump because they want to throw a brick through the establishment window. Now they are using the brick to beat us over the head. Man, fascism is here"
Then in the update video Ana actually says "We didn't know why she attacked." If that was the case, why craft a narrative that it was racist right-wingers.
In this instance, the Young Turks were wrong. In the update video, they don't apologize for mischaracterizing the situation originally. In fact, they don't even mention it.
If you are a reasonable person, you should be able to look at these facts and agree that they did poor, unethical journalism. I personally don't care if it is the right or the left that does this stuff, they should be called out for it.
"There are things which, if done by the few, we should refuse to imitate; yet when the majority have begun to do them, we follow along - just as if anything were more honourable because it is more frequent!"
-Seneca
sundin13 said:
...but more than one person did beat the man. They said that during the beating, the woman called over other men who then joined into the beating. |
As stated by the comment posted past yours, the attack was perpetrated by a single woman and these people were talked (mostly through manipulation) into beating the man. Again, I have no problem with shaming these men too, but here's a question I want to ask. If someone started beating the crap out of a person they call a sexual predator and ask you to join in when you have absolutely no details or context, would you do it? I wouldn't myself, but to act like these people got the exact picture is ridiculous, and as such I cant view them through the same lens as the woman who started the attack.
At the end of the day, just don't beat the shit out of anyone without reasonable context. Cant we just agree that civility comes first?
Munn75 said:
Also Cenk of the Young Turks literally said this in the original report: "Who picks up a brick and beats a 91 year old man over the head with it while shouting go back to your country? Well, I'll tell you who does. Insane, racist, right-wingers encouraged by the current administration." "They are among us man. They walk among us. They hate people that don't look like them and now they have bricks. I used to call them the brick voters, the people who support Donald Trump because they want to throw a brick through the establishment window. Now they are using the brick to beat us over the head. Man, fascism is here" |
My reading of that is that they are applying this incident to a larger context and not speaking about this incident in isolation. When they ask and answer their question, they are not saying "who was this individual" "it was these people", they are saying "who performs actions such as this" "this type of person". You can agree or disagree with them if you would like, but it seems clear to me at least, that their point is not that there were multiple racists involved, but instead that there are multiple racists across the country performing racist actions. That second paragraph you posted should make this obvious. They are not speaking in literal terms here.
I just don't get this outrage. It feels entirely manufactured.
And surrounding an incident such as this with manufactured outrage over pedantic criticisms of TYT seems gross to me.
sundin13 said:
My reading of that is that they are applying this incident to a larger context and not speaking about this incident in isolation. When they ask and answer their question, they are not saying "who was this individual" "it was these people", they are saying "who performs actions such as this" "this type of person". You can agree or disagree with them if you would like, but it seems clear to me at least, that their point is not that there were multiple racists involved, but instead that there are multiple racists across the country performing racist actions. That second paragraph you posted should make this obvious. They are not speaking in literal terms here. I just don't get this outrage. It feels entirely manufactured. And surrounding an incident such as this with manufactured outrage over pedantic criticisms of TYT seems gross to me. |
I find your interpretation of things to be interesting. So in a situation where the Young Turks did not know who had committed the crime, they then go on a rant about the type of people that do these types of things. Basically intimating that when a crime of this nature happens, you should look to the right-wingers. In the end, they were completely wrong about who actually did the crime and the motivations behind it. You don't see any issues with that? If we are to attempt to stop these things from happening in the future, we need a true understanding of why they are happening now. This type of reporting does not help.
As for manufactured outrage, I personally don't like the idea of normalizing this kind of behavior. For me, this is just as bad as when the other side downplays or misdirects concerns about global warming, gun control, and other important issues. Race relations are important and the way a story like this was reported by the Young Turks just gives Trump another example of Fake News.
You seem to be moving away from a pure defense of the Young Turks actions and now seem to be saying that it is just being blown out of proportion. I am certainly fine with that opinion as long as you take the same approach when right-wing outlets do this same type of shoddy reporting. It's not to say that I agree with your take on it but if you are consistent, I can at least respect that.
"There are things which, if done by the few, we should refuse to imitate; yet when the majority have begun to do them, we follow along - just as if anything were more honourable because it is more frequent!"
-Seneca
Munn75 said: I find your interpretation of things to be interesting. So in a situation where the Young Turks did not know who had committed the crime, they then go on a rant about the type of people that do these types of things. Basically intimating that when a crime of this nature happens, you should look to the right-wingers. In the end, they were completely wrong about who actually did the crime and the motivations behind it. You don't see any issues with that? |
Two questions about TYT:
Did they not know who had committed the crime?
Were they wrong about who committed the crime?
One question about you:
Would you disagree if I were to say that being anti-immigration is a right wing position?