Teeqoz said:
DonFerrari said:
Tax is part of the inequality issue, not even the main one, and reducing tax (since it isn't the sole cause) doesn't assure end of inequality since you won't control all other factors.
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You didn't answer why you asked about a free market in Scandinavia, and you also didn't explain why inequality has been increasing despite taxes in the US decreasing. Sure, you could argue that it's due to other factors, but when that statistics show the opposite correlation of what you are suggesting, it doesn't exactly help to strengthen your claim.
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Sorry if I didn't see you asking why I asked about free market. I asked because most people think that Scandinavia is a socialist paradise with government control, when it actually have a lot of free market but heavy taxes. Last I remember also, most of the Scandinavia have very healthy balance of trade with much of that money also supporting their social programs (and some criticism that their finances is eroding through time).
Tax decreasing in absolute also doesn't account for different taxes and its weight on different classes. And as I said since there are other variables, you can't assure that if tax reduced then inequality should as well (because you would also have to prove that true on the opposite for every other country... Brazil per example had tax raising and inequality raising in the last couple years). The use of that tax for the powerful (which was already mentioned in my previous posts) is much more impactful.
epicurean said:
Megiddo said: I'll use my own taxes. My AGI was $29,000. My taxable income was $18,600 My taxes withhelf from my paycheck last year was $3,700. I was given a refund of $1,500. What does that mean? I paid $2,200 in federal taxes. I did not "get it all back" |
Looks to me you are very close to the line - It used to be 51% but now its closer to 43% based on what I just looked up. Also, as I said, you do still have to pay into SS. And while most everyone in that bottom group make up all the payroll tax with credits, some towards the top end of it don't quite get there.
I hadn't looked up where the "line" was lately, for that, I admit I was wrong. However, the widespread belief among many that the rich aren't paying enough and we tax the poor too much, to me, seems like complete hogwash.
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In Brazil it is somewhat true, but that is because our tax system is very complex and there is a lot of tax into products, so even though most of the country doesn't pay income tax, they pay a lot on others.
massimus said: The fact that the US probably paid for all of this is even more funny. I would support the US leaving the UN. What a waste of money. I like it when Nicki Haley is up there talking shit to all of those people though, I would support her as the first female president. I would say almost all of that boils down to the massive failure of our public education system. We spend more per kid than anyone on that planet, the failure is not the budget. Academia has been ruined on all levels, ignorant shit taught by ignorant people. Generally of course, enough to make a significant impact. Just unusually stupid people with no common reason. |
Socialism is just like that... if money is badly managed and results in bad situation, as you exposed on education, their solution is throw more money on the problem and pray it will suddenly work out.