Sure, i could certainly see them revising or exceeding their current 16 million forcast but that wasnt really my point. Im just saying a decline in shipments does not necessarilly mean a price cut is impossible.

Sony and Nintendo have different pricing strategies at the moment, so it is hard for me to compare their hardware sales directly on a one-to-one basis. Nintendo also is actively selling multiple systems, like the SNES classic, 3DS, and Switch. While Playstation sold more hardware and software units last Oct - Dec than Switch, Nintendo made a lot more money than Sony's game division (like about 50% more).

Right, you brought up last year being down YoY despite the big sale in this thread didn't you? But that's because the discounted SKU was only in stock for a short period of time. If it was in stock for the full length that the sale was supposed to do be then there's no way that it would have been down YoY.

Thats not what im referring to.

Some examples, the PS2 price cuts in 2003, 2004 or 2006 didnt stop YOY sales from dropping.

The Wii price cuts in 2009 & 2011 didnt stop YOY sales from dropping.

Just because Sony is forcasting shipments to be down this year does not necessarily mean a price cut isnt happening.

Ah, well it sold a million units in April with no price-cut but it is true that eventually it will have to hit some sort of wall. Though I think the mid-gen refresh will allow that wall to be much further beyond typical home consoles, similar to how Nintendo handhelds can target the same consumers for the revision I believe a lot of PS4 pro owners have upgraded from the PS4.

Super Smash Bros and Pokemon Let's Go are going to have Switch consoles flying off the shelves. and then the fact that Metroid Prime 4 will likely launch this year along with the new Fire Emblem will just boost sales even further. AND we havent even seen any of the E3 reveals yet

3DS released March 2011.

People forget the PS3's 2 biggest years were 2010 and 2011. That's equivalent to PS4's 2017 and 2018. So those saying PS4 is selling well for a 4.5 year old console forget that it's actually in it's prime years. I realise not every console cycle is the same, but so far the trend for PS4 has very much mirrored the PS3 in the latter years, except on a much bigger scale of course.

The main difference being that the PS3 needed a hefty price cut to have its best years, correct? It's not that the PS4 selling well for a 4-5 year old console is surprising, it's the fact that it's selling well while still $299.99 whereas it's main competition has frequent price-cuts of $70-100 lower and yet it can still sell as well as it has.

You get smash for the core gamers and a casual Pokemon game for the casuals. I'm definitely going with yes. As of now, Sony doesn't even have a truly big exclusive scheduled for Q4.