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RolStoppable said:
Azuren said:
We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.

Supergirl doesn't suck.

She did in her conception. It looks years of clever writing to make her acceptable.



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EnricoPallazzo said:
RolStoppable said:

Supergirl doesn't suck.

I think she sucks, you just need to search for the right movie...

I see a hint of porn.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Azuren said:
We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.

That's like saying don't write a sci-fi story for the purpose of having a sci-fi story.

If somebody wants to write a strong female (or whatever else) character, why shouldn't they? The only thing that matters is how well you execute that



Podings said:
OP, imma be honest with you. You're the one that sounds self entitled.

Creators can appeal to whoever they goddamn please, and you can just NOT buy the games you don't like. It's exactly the same for you as it is the for the people that used to complain about not being represented.

Creators are increasingly being told who to appeal to, isn't that the point of the original comment? So it's not exactly sincere ranting that creators 'can appeal to whoever the goddam please'.



Angelus said:
Azuren said:
We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.

That's like saying don't write a sci-fi story for the purpose of having a sci-fi story.

If somebody wants to write a strong female (or whatever else) character, why shouldn't they? The only thing that matters is how well you execute that

Perhaps you miss interpreted his phrase.

And it really goes to the same point, you don't write a sci-fi for the sake of being sci-fi, you want to write a great story and being sci-fi is just the theme, canvas, boundary, etc. Same you create a great char and if so happen you put as a female great.

But when you decide to make a sci-fi or strong female for the sake of it you'll fall in the pitfal of not great execution. That is one of the points discussed a lot in this thread that when for diversity sakes some movies or games define a woman they make her flaweless to not get complains from SJW and that ends up being shallow and boring.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Angelus said:
Azuren said:
We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.

That's like saying don't write a sci-fi story for the purpose of having a sci-fi story.

If somebody wants to write a strong female (or whatever else) character, why shouldn't they? The only thing that matters is how well you execute that

You're conflating genre and character, so not exactly the best argument from the get-go.

 

If someone wants to write a strong female character, then they should focus on the character arc, not the genitalia and ideology. Write a good character before you decide the gender, don't try to write a good character around a gender.



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Azuren said:
Angelus said:

That's like saying don't write a sci-fi story for the purpose of having a sci-fi story.

If somebody wants to write a strong female (or whatever else) character, why shouldn't they? The only thing that matters is how well you execute that

You're conflating genre and character, so not exactly the best argument from the get-go.

 

If someone wants to write a strong female character, then they should focus on the character arc, not the genitalia and ideology. Write a good character before you decide the gender, don't try to write a good character around a gender.

That was basically my point, it's about proper execution, not making arbitrary decisions. I don't entirely agree with your point about writing the character first and then deciding the gender. That works in some cases, if you go in with the idea of it truly being an interchangeable character, but in many other cases a character will have traits, and story arcs that lean decidedly in one direction or another. 



Angelus said:
Azuren said:

You're conflating genre and character, so not exactly the best argument from the get-go.

 

If someone wants to write a strong female character, then they should focus on the character arc, not the genitalia and ideology. Write a good character before you decide the gender, don't try to write a good character around a gender.

That was basically my point, it's about proper execution, not making arbitrary decisions. I don't entirely agree with your point about writing the character first and then deciding the gender. That works in some cases, if you go in with the idea of it truly being an interchangeable character, but in many other cases a character will have traits, and story arcs that lean decidedly in one direction or another. 

Well he put the write the charcter not the story totally... and he also put that when you decide the gender if you want to have romatic impact you also put the details of that later but the romantical impact was already written neutrally.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KingCherry said:
Podings said:
OP, imma be honest with you. You're the one that sounds self entitled.

Creators can appeal to whoever they goddamn please, and you can just NOT buy the games you don't like. It's exactly the same for you as it is the for the people that used to complain about not being represented.

Creators are increasingly being told who to appeal to, isn't that the point of the original comment? So it's not exactly sincere ranting that creators 'can appeal to whoever the goddam please'.

Well let me add to my rant. Creators can appeal to whoever they goddamn please for whichever reason they goddamn please, be it whether they have good reason for just wanting to, or that they are "told to" by interest groups, their own bosses, their marketing department, or their dicks.

Games were never NOT meant to be sold to someone, and you can just NOT buy the games that you don't like.



At one point the people who whined about there being no representation were the worst. Now the people who are angry that there is representation are the actual whiners. Take the new Gears trailer for instance. It showed and no SJW jumped on how the main is female. It just released, looked cool, and people liked it. But the first post about it is some guy crying that a woman is the lead.

See, my take on these divisive things has always been that the first real step we'll take toward equality is when we can all show up in the same setting and it all be seen as normal. What I mean by this is that when whites can make racial jokes and not have to apologize or when a woman can be the star of an alien shooter and not have some insecure male cry because the alien shooter that’s always had a superman who can singlehandedly dispatch an entire alien army with unlimited firepower is suddenly “unrealistic” because now there’s a woman who can do the same thing. But in the end SJWs whine too much. And anti-SJWs whine about that all the time. EQUALITY!!!



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