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DonFerrari said: 
zorg1000 said:

What the hell are you going on about?

Nobody is "apologizing" for "shortcomings", they are pointing out that they are completely different devices in terms of specs, features, size, price, etc. so a sizable gap in visuals/performance is expected.

Switch is significantly cheaper than high end phones and has just as good of battery life when playing demanding games so i dont think bringing them up supports your argument.

Nobody? Ok ok, sure.... all criticisms deflected but no defense...


Defending by bringing up valid points is not the same as "apologizing for shortcomings" or "deflecting critism".

Why do you get so offended anytime somebody brings up the portable aspect of Switch?



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said: 

Nobody? Ok ok, sure.... all criticisms deflected but no defense...

Defending by bringing up valid points is not the same as "apologizing for shortcomings" or "deflecting critism".

Why do you get so offended anytime somebody brings up the portable aspect of Switch?

I get offended when people flip flop between it being HH or console depending if they need to show strong points of it being HH instead of console (like saying well I can play it on the go so it being weaker isn't even a concern) but back to being a console if they want to compare sales... then it is more of a console when battery life or price of games is pointed at.

I perfectly accept Switch as a HH that can be plugged to the TV a little more streamlined than PSP or PSVita, but shenanigans as "I have always been a playstation fanboy, but haven't bought a PS4 because it doesn't have 5 must have games... hey I bought Switch because Skyrim on the go is like a totally different game". Of course pretending there aren't other systems that were HH and could be used on the TV and that Nintendo created the switch as if not an improved NVidia Shield.

There is a big difference between saying "I don't care much about graphics, but love portability" to "graphics doesn't matter". Nintendo decision to be low powered isn't due to portability, is something they have been doing since Wii. At the time the apologies where the type "but it's fun", "it's novel", "it have motion controller" as if those couldn't be achieved if the system was stronger...

And of course when ports doesn't go to switch it is because devs hate Nintendo, not because of Nintendo own choices.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Defending by bringing up valid points is not the same as "apologizing for shortcomings" or "deflecting critism".

Why do you get so offended anytime somebody brings up the portable aspect of Switch?

I get offended when people flip flop between it being HH or console depending if they need to show strong points of it being HH instead of console (like saying well I can play it on the go so it being weaker isn't even a concern) but back to being a console if they want to compare sales... then it is more of a console when battery life or price of games is pointed at.

I perfectly accept Switch as a HH that can be plugged to the TV a little more streamlined than PSP or PSVita, but shenanigans as "I have always been a playstation fanboy, but haven't bought a PS4 because it doesn't have 5 must have games... hey I bought Switch because Skyrim on the go is like a totally different game". Of course pretending there aren't other systems that were HH and could be used on the TV and that Nintendo created the switch as if not an improved NVidia Shield.

There is a big difference between saying "I don't care much about graphics, but love portability" to "graphics doesn't matter". Nintendo decision to be low powered isn't due to portability, is something they have been doing since Wii. At the time the apologies where the type "but it's fun", "it's novel", "it have motion controller" as if those couldn't be achieved if the system was stronger...

And of course when ports doesn't go to switch it is because devs hate Nintendo, not because of Nintendo own choices.

Can you show me a single example of someone flip flopping in this thread or in general?

 

Nothing you said really applies to this thread so you just seem bitter for no apparent reason.

 

"I have always been a playstation fanboy, but haven't bought a PS4 because it doesn't have 5 must have games... hey I bought Switch because Skyrim on the go is like a totally different game"

 

graphics doesn't matter".

 

Of course pretending there aren't other systems that were HH and could be used on the TV and that Nintendo created the switch as if not an improved NVidia Shield.

 

And of course when ports doesn't go to switch it is because devs hate Nintendo, not because of Nintendo own choices.


 

Maybe i missed it, but i havent seen anybody in this thread say anything like this.

Last edited by zorg1000 - on 10 April 2018

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Medisti said:
HintHRO said:

Can't say. Wasn't able to find a full priced Doom downgraded in both graphics and framerate and released several months later with less content than the original on the Xbox One X.

The Switch version has nothing to do with how well the Xbox One X version performs when played on the bus. Were you able to find an Xbox One copy, hook the Xbox One X and a television up to a generator and test it out? Science needs to know, man.

The obvious point is that I won't ever pay such a ridiculous price for such poor performance when I can pay $20 for full HD and 60fps (which is the minimum for shooters). It's not like being playable on the go suddenly justifies EVERYTHING the Switch does wrong. 



zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

I get offended when people flip flop between it being HH or console depending if they need to show strong points of it being HH instead of console (like saying well I can play it on the go so it being weaker isn't even a concern) but back to being a console if they want to compare sales... then it is more of a console when battery life or price of games is pointed at.

I perfectly accept Switch as a HH that can be plugged to the TV a little more streamlined than PSP or PSVita, but shenanigans as "I have always been a playstation fanboy, but haven't bought a PS4 because it doesn't have 5 must have games... hey I bought Switch because Skyrim on the go is like a totally different game". Of course pretending there aren't other systems that were HH and could be used on the TV and that Nintendo created the switch as if not an improved NVidia Shield.

There is a big difference between saying "I don't care much about graphics, but love portability" to "graphics doesn't matter". Nintendo decision to be low powered isn't due to portability, is something they have been doing since Wii. At the time the apologies where the type "but it's fun", "it's novel", "it have motion controller" as if those couldn't be achieved if the system was stronger...

And of course when ports doesn't go to switch it is because devs hate Nintendo, not because of Nintendo own choices.

Can you show me a single example of someone flip flopping in this thread or in general?

Nothing you said really applies to this thread so you just seem bitter for no apparent reason.

"I have always been a playstation fanboy, but haven't bought a PS4 because it doesn't have 5 must have games... hey I bought Switch because Skyrim on the go is like a totally different game" graphics doesn't matter".

Of course pretending there aren't other systems that were HH and could be used on the TV and that Nintendo created the switch as if not an improved NVidia Shield.

And of course when ports doesn't go to switch it is because devs hate Nintendo, not because of Nintendo own choices.

Maybe i missed it, but i havent seen anybody in this thread say anything like this.

In general you can see since the start of the gen for the discussion if Switch is more a console that you take on the go or hh that you plug on tv (Nintendo themselves call it a console). So people use the time HH and time console as a shield wanting to only accept the good points of it being in both words while covering the shortcomings... Giving links for vgc itself is a nightmare on search mechanism and you know it. But sure in this thread you won't see a flip flop because it is basically people defending the shortcoming exclusively focusing in it being a portable (with of course the coupe out of playing console games) but you certainly have seem a lot of people comparing its sales as a console to PS4.

And you seem to be very focused on what have been said in this thread instead of accepting that what they said on this thread if it was a different subject they would be focusing on the console parts for things like low battery duration, size and weight of the system or any other not outstanding portability features.

In the end Switch being a hybrid (that for me is more a portable than a console) will have positives and negatives from both portions, and the key point is that for its owner the balance for the positive and for people that don't want it the balance go for the negative (like a lot of console owners, like me, who don't play portable... I only commute driving and prefer to play on the position of couch + tv and for that the below average graphics of Switch is a detractor).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

That's kinda like telling a PS4 gamer "you could code your own PS4 emulator from the ground up and play Horizon Zero Dawn at  4K/60fps, why bother playing it on PS4?" Even if a gyro mod exists for PC, (does it even exist? Cos I sure as hell don't know why to make one) that would require me to fork out cash for a powerful gaming PC and go through all the hassle of modding which is frankly beyond my limited technical expertise, why go to all that trouble and expense when I'm already quite happy with the gyro-powered Switch version?

If there is interest on the idea there will be modders making it on the games, it doesn't really have to be you. Kinect had several mods to play on PC, PSVR work on PC, so if people liked the idea of gyro aiming on Doom they could make a mod.

But it's funny that you compare making a mod to put gyro controls on Doom to make a full working emulator.

Still haven't seem where did I say you have to do it.

HoangNhatAnh said:

So Xbox 1 X use a small mobile chip? Who would have though? LOL. Vita must be as strong as ps3, damn. Every tech analysis guy should learn again

Where did I say X1X use a small chip?

HoangNhatAnh said:

Yeah, you can buy a GAEMS Vanguard and that is already enough to play ps4/xbox 1 games on the go everywhere you want, even when you are walking. Buy this system and you can play any game on this system without have to purchase any other system to play game on it while a lot cheaper than Switch and last 4 hours for AAA games, brilliant

And what mod can you make for Switch to play games on a better resolution?

zorg1000 said:

What the hell are you going on about?

Nobody is "apologizing" for "shortcomings", they are pointing out that they are completely different devices in terms of specs, features, size, price, etc. so a sizable gap in visuals/performance is expected.

Switch is significantly cheaper than high end phones and has just as good of battery life when playing demanding games so i dont think bringing them up supports your argument.

Nobody? Ok ok, sure.... all criticisms deflected but no defense...

Metallox said:

Call again in 10 years. 

Doom on Switch has its instances where it drops hard on several major firefights in Nightmare difficulty, not so much anymore after the patch, but it's still noticeable. I've always to be tempted to make a chart to include all the firefight sequences in the game and state which ones make the Switch to drop really hard, which shouldn't rise to 30%. But I mean, it's worthless. All in all, I'd argue the game is completely playable even on a system that only allows it to peform at 27.7 FPS in average (don't remember the exact number stated in Digital Foundry's latest video). 

Image quality is another story, but it still looks good, especially on portable mode, where all the drawbacks are pretty much taken away thanks to the smaller screen. At the very least, the game never ever drops to this, even with its agressive anti-aliasing:

What an ugly PS2 game.

Ganoncrotch said:

Just bring 6 of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/PowerWalker-2200-LCD-IEC-1200W/dp/B00O636RRC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1523345933&sr=8-6&keywords=ups+power+supplies they give about 30mins of use with 100w draw... so as long as you have a slim PS4 it should be okay to give you 3 hours of doom and match the Switches battery life!

Not acceptable, only switch can play console games on the go (notebooks never existed in this reality).

So X1X must be cheap af for 4k resolution, damn Switch. How dare it cost $300 at launch? PS4/Xbox 1 cost only $150 at launch and PS4 Pro/Xbox 1 is only $200. How dare Switch cost too much like that? Not only that, it use a small mobile chip for a portable, why it must be so small? It should be at least as big as Xbox 1 X and play on the go while cost only $100, it will be at least acceptable for small audience. Why Switch only have ps2 looking games? Look at ps4, it have many vita ports in gorgeous 1080p and 60 fps. Damn Switch with Wii U games only. Switch should have mod for better resolution like ps4/xbox 1 have mod for become lighter and more stronger with ability play game on the go as well as fit a pocket while cost $50 only in 2018



HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

If there is interest on the idea there will be modders making it on the games, it doesn't really have to be you. Kinect had several mods to play on PC, PSVR work on PC, so if people liked the idea of gyro aiming on Doom they could make a mod.

But it's funny that you compare making a mod to put gyro controls on Doom to make a full working emulator.

Still haven't seem where did I say you have to do it.

Where did I say X1X use a small chip?

And what mod can you make for Switch to play games on a better resolution?

Nobody? Ok ok, sure.... all criticisms deflected but no defense...

What an ugly PS2 game.

Not acceptable, only switch can play console games on the go (notebooks never existed in this reality).

So X1X must be cheap af for 4k resolution, damn Switch. How dare it cost $300 at launch? PS4/Xbox 1 cost only $150 at launch and PS4 Pro/Xbox 1 is only $200. How dare Switch cost too much like that? Not only that, it use a small mobile chip for a portable, why it must be so small? It should be at least as big as Xbox 1 X and play on the go while cost only $100, it will be at least acceptable for small audience. Why Switch only have ps2 looking games? Look at ps4, it have many vita ports in gorgeous 1080p and 60 fps. Damn Switch with Wii U games only. Switch should have mod for better resolution like ps4/xbox 1 have mod for become lighter and more stronger with ability play game on the go as well as fit a pocket while cost $50 only in 2018

Several people on VGC considered X1X cheap for what was offering and other expensive because it was still a console... Most complained about PS3 launching at 499/599... your point?

Still 300 for a HH was ever considered expensive even more when using a cheap screen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

well sales are compared? i think its overkill but a bit funny along with some of the reactions.



 

LiquorandGunFun said:
well sales are compared? i think its overkill but a bit funny along with some of the reactions.

I think X1 sold more Doom.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

HintHRO said:
Medisti said:

The Switch version has nothing to do with how well the Xbox One X version performs when played on the bus. Were you able to find an Xbox One copy, hook the Xbox One X and a television up to a generator and test it out? Science needs to know, man.

The obvious point is that I won't ever pay such a ridiculous price for such poor performance when I can pay $20 for full HD and 60fps (which is the minimum for shooters). It's not like being playable on the go suddenly justifies EVERYTHING the Switch does wrong. 

On the reverse, it's not like the Switch doing some things wrong (notice the lack of caps there) suddenly removes the convenience that the portability provides.