Choice is not everything. They're there for all the wrong reasons. I think it's a bit of a stretch to include cheerleaders since they serve an entirely different function altogether.

1. How is the outright banning of actions of women in the Grid/F1 payroll an encouraging endeavor? Taking away choices is not encouragement of due course and these ladies just lost their jobs because 3rd wave feminists care more about a small minority of peoples thought patterns than the reality of the situation that effect these women's paychecks.

2. A more fair culture? These industries are male dominated and these people just fired the ladies......

3. What code of conduct was broken?

4. Again, the representation of women, in this case women who also own businesses, was just quashed.

5. The market will decide whether that's possible or not. Stop telling people what they want. How many men are complaining about not being able to be models at an F1 event? None? Might as well fire the ladies because equal outcome of a ghost variable is just soooo important.

This isn't directed at you Otter, but the actions that led to this video just showcases how a bunch of Flakes can disrupt a perfectly suitable environment completely engrossed in choice. Those choices were just taken away by a group (feminists) who would be dangerous with power.

Edit - Just to clarify, it's not technically feminists hiring and firing, it's the organizations that have control of who they hire and fire. I shouldn't have said "because of feminists" when in fact it is because of the organizations. Recognition of this fact, however, does not deflect the approach of 3rd wave feminists and their train of thought on this matter, or other matters. Lets not pretend like people can't influence the actions of corporations.

Edit 2 - I actually would have taken the same approach as F1 in hiring kids instead of models, it just makes more sense.

Yeah, let's put all those girls out a of a job to catter to a minority of angry and ever unsastified people....

Now that those girls can't to this, they'll be able to find another job in a strip club or something.


This is pissing me off, if we start to ban every job that a part of the population find degrading, let's not stop there, let's ban cashiers, fast food workers, the cleaning industry and so on.

And to be frank, I really don't care at all about events having promo girls, but those women are adult, they need those jobs, I know a lot of girls that are dancers and models, and yes they don't like the promo girls work, but they really like the pay. 

We all do jobs we don't like at one point in our lives, and we're happy those jobs are here, I used to flip burgers, I worked as a waiter, i even worked in a ikea warehouse.

Those people need to get off their high horses and stop acting like egotistical maniac, they don't own the world, they don't have the rights to make that kind of decisions for others

"Feminists" ..... again contributing to the loss of jobs for women.

These are not feminists.... these are just hypocritixal "progressists".

I think you forgot who I am

You didn't take my points seriously because of how you judge my character? Surely arguments should be judged on their own merit, on not based on your own opinion of the person making them?

Most female celebs may be feminists, but they aren't the fringe feminists that you are constantly outraged about. Same with media and "the left". 

As for the pussyhat march, again, I don't see how that's related to the type of fringe feminism you complain about. Sure, there were definitely fringe feminists supporting it, but you wouldn't judge a large group based on a minority, would you? 

Sure, the wage gap isn't real, and males and females are pretty much equal in terms of rights, but if you can't see how society still pushes boys and girls in different directions (walking into a toy store should be enough to ilustrate this), then this discussion will be fruitless.

I'm trying to get you to explain to me how feminists could force the owners of these tournaments to stop this practice. Could you answer that? How did feminists force them to do this?

And I'd appreciate if you could stop trying to explain to me what I'm trying to do. I'm pretty sure I know more about what I'm trying to do, so you don't have to make up things to tell me.

PS: Check out the underlined part in italics. If you have to choose one thing to reply to, I'd prefer if it was that.

Such a shame those womans jobs are under attack for no reason. Whats the UK coming to? All we do is bow to a loud outspoken monority every time
The poll clearly states 86% of UK public ( or atleast GMTV viewers) disagree with the ban. Absolute joke. I just hope they keep ring girls.

What poll are you talking about?

An american company directed by a bunch of republican supporters and a Trump donor bought Formula 1 one year ago, that's what happened.

However, it is still their own choice to work as a grid girl. Not to mention, this isn't some measly minimum-wage McDonald's job. It actually pays quite well and it offers upward mobility for those who want to do more professional modeling.