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Best MCU sub-series?

Iron Man 1 3.03%
 
Thor 1 3.03%
 
Captain America 12 36.36%
 
The Avengers 9 27.27%
 
Guardians of the Galaxy 10 30.30%
 
Total:33
mZuzek said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

That’s what makes him a good villain. He’s a good character.

All too often superhero screenwriters don’t bother to give a villain a personality trait beyond vengeful or evil. They’re plot devices, not characters.

This is true, but I'd say any villain is 50% personality and 50% threat. They need both to be good, and Loki only has one of them. When I think of a great villain, I think of a villain who makes me go "oh shit" when they show up - Loki doesn't have that, everytime he showed up in Avengers you knew he was just gonna be used for jokes and get pwned by whatever avenger he was up against. If anything his personality just made me feel sorry for him rather than invested in his role.

Well that’s potentially the problem with these villains as a whole. Many of them have no threat or personality. Loki stands above the pack because he’s not generically evil (aside from in Thor). And he does kill a fan favorite in The Avengers. Marvel just decided to undo it and rob it of its meaning



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Saw Iron Man today for maybe the 4th time, but I still got some new things out of it.

The minuses:

Basically only the ending with Stain.  I don't feel like it is totally awful, but it really isn't up to the quality of the rest of the film.  They take a villain who has been very calculating up until the end and then make him reckless.  Also, I would have preferred the fight to end after his armor iced up.  It seemed like a decent climax at that moment.  They didn't even show how Stain got out of the predicament.  Instead Iron Man has to carefully descend and then when he gets back down Stain just attacks him out of nowhere.



The pluses: 

Unique origin- Iron Man's origin is unique, because Tony Stark is basically already a "super", but he isn't a hero.  He's basically the smartest guy on the planet and also a billionaire.  He already built things like the super AI, Jarvis, and other intelligent robots and the arc reactor and the Jerico missle.  He doesn't escape from the cave because he's bitten by a radioactive spider.  He builds a super suit using his own natural abilities.  However he is also totally irresponsible and only cares about himself at first.  He's already got the "super" part, but being kidnapped teaches him to be a hero.  (Also watching this today made me realize that Captain America has the exact opposite origin.  Steve Rogers starts out heroic, but he isn't powerful in the slightest.)

I like that when he does try to be responsible, he gets tons of resistance from all the people who told him to be responsible.  Rhodes, Stain and Pepper all complain about the new direction he is taking.  I also like that he finds the biggest problems he has to deal with are coming from within his own company.

Really love the "operation" scene with Tony and Pepper.  She could have killed him, but he down plays it the whole time.

Love the first time he goes out with the modern suit.  He just found out that his company is selling weapons to both sides.  When he lands down the first thing he does is punch a guy.  You can't see the look on his face, because he's in the suit, but that really communicates how pissed he is.  Also love when he pulls a guy through the wall and then tosses him to the crowd saying, "He's all yours".

Favorite scene is Pepper downloading files from Stain's office.  I remember being on the edge of my seat the first time I saw this.  It's still a great scene even now that I know what happens.

Also loved seeing the beginning hints at the Kevin Feige plan in the MCU.  We see Shield and Coulson for the first time.  (Really liked the part where Pepper tells him that they are going to have the meeting "right now".)  We see that they get a pretty big name, Paul Bettany, for Jarvis hinting at something bigger for him.  We get the Samuel L. Jackson post credits scene about the Avengers.  The vision for the MCU was there from the beginning, but they had to come a long way.   Iron Man was released in 2008, and it was slow going until they released the first Captain America and Thor movies in 2011.


Overall a very solid movie.  I give it 9/10.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 02 January 2018

spurgeonryan said:
Watched Iron Man. Not sure if I can stomach Hulk, but I may turn it on in the background.

You didn't like "The Incredible Hulk"?  Or are you confusing the Edward Norton movie with the horrible Ang Lee "Hulk" with Eric Bana.  You don't have to watch the Ang Lee "Hulk", because it's from 2003 (5 years before the MCU started with Iron Man).  "The Incredible Hulk" was a much better film, or do you not like either one?



After I watched Thor Ragnarok in theaters my buddy and I rewatched every previous Marvel/Disney movies. The Hulk was the least favorite.

I'm so ready for Black Panther then The Avengers Infinity War then Ant Man and the Wasp!!



Iron Man - 9/10

It reset the formula and tone of superhero movies we still have today. Downey is one of the few "perfect" castings in movie history, right down to his and character's life story. It stands on its own and was the foundation of what was to come, only thing holding it back from 10 for me was climax was just okay.



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Iron Man to me is a 7/10. When I first saw it as a much younger kid, I'd probably rate it a 9/10, all because I'm very appealed by the concept of someone having no superpowers other than their ingenuity to create those superpowers themselves. While the concept still appeals to me, it's not strong enough to bring it up to an 8 or 9. Jeff Bridge's villain just isn't strong enough to me (not purely his own fault though).

But to me, a 7/10 is a good movie



Nymeria said:
Iron Man - 9/10

It reset the formula and tone of superhero movies we still have today. Downey is one of the few "perfect" castings in movie history, right down to his and character's life story. It stands on its own and was the foundation of what was to come, only thing holding it back from 10 for me was climax was just okay.

Thanks! Do you want to sign up for the full rewatch? I'll add your name, if so :)



Teeqoz said:
Iron Man to me is a 7/10. When I first saw it as a much younger kid, I'd probably rate it a 9/10, all because I'm very appealed by the concept of someone having no superpowers other than their ingenuity to create those superpowers themselves. While the concept still appeals to me, it's not strong enough to bring it up to an 8 or 9. Jeff Bridge's villain just isn't strong enough to me (not purely his own fault though).

But to me, a 7/10 is a good movie

Thanks! Adding your score now :)

And, I agree, 7/10 is a good score ;)



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Nymeria said:
Iron Man - 9/10

It reset the formula and tone of superhero movies we still have today. Downey is one of the few "perfect" castings in movie history, right down to his and character's life story. It stands on its own and was the foundation of what was to come, only thing holding it back from 10 for me was climax was just okay.

Thanks! Do you want to sign up for the full rewatch? I'll add your name, if so :)

Sure. Sounds fun.



Nymeria said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Thanks! Do you want to sign up for the full rewatch? I'll add your name, if so :)

Sure. Sounds fun.

You're in! And we won't hold your DC loyalties against you :P