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In short moving an embassy from a city to another won't change a thing. Jeruralem will continue being Israel capiral and any attempt by the arab sideto change it by force will result in war.



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The joys of multiculturalism, currently 21% of legal Israelis are Arabs, with an inclusion of the West bank or even Gaza into Israel that would jump to 40% or even over 50%.



numberwang said:
The joys of multiculturalism, currently 21% of legal Israelis are Arabs, with an inclusion of the West bank or even Gaza into Israel that would jump to 40% or even over 50%.

I agree that multiculturalism is great, the thing I love most about where I live is that I can come into contact with many different peoples and cultures.



fatslob-:O said:

So have the Christians and the Arabs but you didn't see them getting expelled so how does that grant them sovereignty over a territory over the others ? 

That's a FACT and your denialism won't change that either ...  

The fact is that the Arabs and the palestinians have been attacking the Jews ever since the creation of Israel with war and terrorism, they tried to commit genocide by murdering everyone in Israel in 1967 which they failed and that alone justifies them palestinians being kicked out and as long as they are not kicked out there won't be peace in that region. As usual you pretend that did not happen and as usual I am here to remind you why Israel needs to be tough with those barbarians who don't deserve the land there, land that was Jewish for thousands of years anyway.

But again we have been down that road...



Birimbau said:

In short moving an embassy from a city to another won't change a thing. Jeruralem will continue being Israel capiral and any attempt by the arab sideto change it by force will result in war.

That's the thing with the palestinians, war and conflict was there before the US talked about moving their embassy which shows that no matter what happens, the palestinians only want war and nothing else.

If you keep the embassy in Tel Aviv the palestinians are like: Death to Israel, if you move it, still death to Israel, if you let them live in Gaza as is the case, it's still death to Israel, if you create buffer zone to try and protect yourself from their rocket launches it's still death to Israel, if you block them from entering in Israel, it's death to Israel and if you let them enter Israel it's suicide attacks and cries of death to Israel and so on...

How can any westerner defend those barbarians is mind boggling.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
fatslob-:O said:

So have the Christians and the Arabs but you didn't see them getting expelled so how does that grant them sovereignty over a territory over the others ? 

That's a FACT and your denialism won't change that either ...  

The fact is that the Arabs and the palestinians have been attacking the Jews ever since the creation of Israel with war and terrorism, they tried to commit genocide by murdering everyone in Israel in 1967 which they failed and that alone justifies them palestinians being kicked out and as long as they are not kicked out there won't be peace in that region. As usual you pretend that did not happen and as usual I am here to remind you why Israel needs to be tough with those barbarians who don't deserve the land there, land that was Jewish for thousands of years anyway.

But again we have been down that road...

 

Again, this is why the 1967 war was started.

http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/suez-crisis

http://www.history.com/topics/yom-kippur-war



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

The fact is that the Arabs and the palestinians have been attacking the Jews ever since the creation of Israel with war and terrorism, they tried to commit genocide by murdering everyone in Israel in 1967 which they failed and that alone justifies them palestinians being kicked out and as long as they are not kicked out there won't be peace in that region. As usual you pretend that did not happen and as usual I am here to remind you why Israel needs to be tough with those barbarians who don't deserve the land there, land that was Jewish for thousands of years anyway.

But again we have been down that road...

"Land that was Jewish for thousands of years anyway", keep up your revisionism buddy ... 

Nobody denies that the Palestinians waged an armed conflict against Israel but how does that justify kicking them out of THEIR OWN LAND ? Did the Americans feel justified in kicking out the Japanese out of their own land when they waged war against them ? 

UN rules the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory to illegal, end of story. Your utopia of a so called "Union" such as the EU will crumble soon enough into internal conflict if a higher body like the UN is struggling to prevent conflict between two tiny sovereign states ... (Hope you enjoy the uprising of another world war in Europe regardless if the EU exists since you badly want promote conflict between Israel and Palestine) 

And keep sucking up to the Republicans and you better pray to god that president Trump gets re-elected for the sake of your dream Jewish empire ...



fatslob-:O said:

"Land that was Jewish for thousands of years anyway", keep up your revisionism buddy ... 

Nobody denies that the Palestinians waged an armed conflict against Israel but how does that justify kicking them out of THEIR OWN LAND ? Did the Americans feel justified in kicking out the Japanese out of their own land when they waged war against them ? 

Americans tried to commit genocide in Japan in 1945, they dropped the most powerful bombs ever created specifically on two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Tokyo was going to be next if Japan had not surrendered. There was no need to kick them out as you put it since the US was going to kill them all if they did not surrender.

A very different situation and the only point to be argued in relation to the situation in Israel and Palestine is that Israel is not nuking Palestine and Palestine is NOT surrendering. If it was surrendering and Israel still tried to kick them out then you might have the beginning of something to argue about but that is not the case, the Palestinians keep waging war and terrorism so the only solution would be to kick them out as every other peaceful solution has failed time and again.



CrazyGamer2017 said:

Americans tried to commit genocide in Japan in 1945, they dropped the most powerful bombs ever created specifically on two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Tokyo was going to be next if Japan had not surrendered. There was no need to kick them out as you put it since the US was going to kill them all if they did not surrender.

A very different situation and the only point to be argued in relation to the situation in Israel and Palestine is that Israel is not nuking Palestine and Palestine is NOT surrendering. If it was surrendering and Israel still tried to kick them out then you might have the beginning of something to argue about but that is not the case, the Palestinians keep waging war and terrorism so the only solution would be to kick them out as every other peaceful solution has failed time and again.

You do realize after the Six-Day War that all parties agreed to a ceasefire after that, right ? That's pretty much as good as the Arab parties surrendering ... 

Palestinians aren't actively waging a war but Israel on the other hand is sponsoring air strikes against Palestinian citizens ... 

"Every other" peaceful solution ? No you only wish to ignore the most obvious one, returning the land to the Palestinians as ascribed in the 1947 UN partition ... 



fatslob-:O said:

You do realize after the Six-Day War that all parties agreed to a ceasefire after that, right ? That's pretty much as good as the Arab parties surrendering ... 

Palestinians aren't actively waging a war but Israel on the other hand is sponsoring air strikes against Palestinian citizens ... 

"Every other" peaceful solution ? No you only wish to ignore the most obvious one, returning the land to the Palestinians as ascribed in the 1947 UN partition ... 

Of course the Arab parties agreed to a cease fire, they had NO choice, they were defeated and if they had won they would not agreed to a cease fire with Israel, they would have annihilated Israel.

It's as if all your neighbors ganged up against you and tried to murder your entire family and for some reason you are much stronger than you look and you manage to beat them all and when they are beaten they agree to just leave you alone... And then someone starts saying, "what nice neighbors who AGREED to leave you alone...."

They had NO CHOICE cause you beat them all after they tried to murder you and your family.

As for Palestinians they are waging terrorism, rocket launched to kill people inside Israel and that's why Israel attacks back with air strikes because Palestinians keep attacking.

The only thing I disagree with Israel is just that, I'm like: why the hell do you keep doing what you do for so long? Kick them out so there may be peace, as long as Palestinians are there waging terrorism there will never be peace. Kick them out, there is so much Arab land around Israel, look at a map, Israel is so small even including the west bank, it's ridiculous.

So back to the analogy: Your neighbors ganged up and tried to murder you and your family, they couldn't so they had no choice and agreed to leave you alone. Do you get this very important part? They agreed cause they had no choice, in other words if one day they think they could, they will attack back and destroy you. I don't trust those neighbors for even 1 second... and here despite this agreement to leave you alone, 1 neighbor (palestine) keeps throwing stones in your windows breaking them, tries to hit you every time you step out the house, demands that YOU LEAVE and if you don't they will continue attacking you even if the other neighbors leave you alone.

I don't know about you but me I'd be like, enough of this I'm gonna deal with this neighbor once and for all, get rid of him. Cause I'm done trying to reason with him. He does not like me kicking him out? He should have though about that on the first day I got in this house, he should have come to talk instead of attacking me, him and his gang of other neighbors... But they attacked again and again, so now I ATTACK back and I am damn right to do so.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 20 December 2017