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CrazyGamer2017 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

How ironic? Calling factual events BS? What part of these do you not understand about the causes of those conflict? It's okay to say you don't know, I'm just telling you what's what.

"If you care to read it..."

http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/suez-crisis

http://www.history.com/topics/yom-kippur-war

the FACT is the Arabs (including Iran) wish to wipe Israel off the map and kill every last one of them and it's obvious that no matter how many times I keep repeating this, you will simply keep ignoring it so keeping this in mind, you speaking of facts, heck I would even say you just USING the word "fact" is downright insulting to the meaning behind that word.

*snips out BS*

 

Proof that Iran, and Arabs says that. Where?



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deskpro2k3 said:

Proof that Iran, and Arabs says that. Where?

Why? You will simply deny your own ears or twist what was said and turn it into something else. (I can see the future I guess)

Also why am I still discussing this issue with you when I just said I was done, silly me, LOL.

But here goes and on top of that the US is threatened too...

Have a good day



Definitely the annexation. In fact the Israelis should expand their territory beyond just Palestine and conquer as much of the Middle East as possible including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Yemen, turkey, jordan, and Lebanon. The Israelis have a thriving modern society with a total dedication to freedom and equality and an amazing record of scientific and technological achievement, whereas the region's  various Islamic states have produced little other than terror, corruption, bloodshed, and poverty. Complete and unfettered Israeli control of the Middle East will be the best thing for ALL of its people.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Proof that Iran, and Arabs says that. Where?

Why? You will simply deny your own ears or twist what was said and turn it into something else. (I can see the future I guess)

Also why am I still discussing this issue with you when I just said I was done, silly me, LOL.

But here goes and on top of that the US is threatened too...

Have a good day

 

interesting that you'll source a miss translation. Real funny man. *slow claps*

What he really said. And it was a quote from Khomeini. The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

http://original.antiwar.com/arash-norouzi/2007/05/26/wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century/

Yeah man, have a good day. you can use a panadol and a mid strength beer.

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McGilliguts said:

Definitely the annexation. In fact the Israelis should expand their territory beyond just Palestine and conquer as much of the Middle East as possible including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Yemen, turkey, jordan, and Lebanon. The Israelis have a thriving modern society with a total dedication to freedom and equality and an amazing record of scientific and technological achievement, whereas the region's  various Islamic states have produced little other than terror, corruption, bloodshed, and poverty. Complete and unfettered Israeli control of the Middle East will be the best thing for ALL of its people.

I hear you but unfortunately invading that much land would prove a problem for Israel cause after that they would have to administer that land in their "Pax Romana" which would give an excuse to the muslims to carry out way more terrorist acts than they do today, not that they need an excuse. And on top of that all the anti-semites would jump on the chance to spew even more hatred against Israel and deny historical facts, deny the Arab terror, maybe for a few of them deny the genocide made by the nazi... I mean they can deny videos of Iran threatening Israel by re-interpreting words as if that made the threat any less, in other words, anything to justify their hatred of the Jewish state. The usual anti-semitic stance.

Anyway I believe Israel should kick out all palestinians that don't agree to live peacefully and take back their Jewish land. After 70 years of conflict it is clear that the palestinians don't want peace, they just don't want a non-Arab race living among them and with the HUGE lands around Israel being controlled by Arab nations, there is plenty of space for them to settle over there.

Or Israel can continue being weak and trying to apply democracy and restraint by not kicking the palestinians out but in that case there is no real solution to the issue cause palestinians will NEVER accept peace with a nation that they wish to destroy one way or the other. It would be like trying to treat cancer with vitamins cause cutting off the cancerous flesh is considered too harsh. Good luck treating your palestinian cancer with only vitamins, Israel.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

 

Anyway I believe Israel should kick out all palestinians that don't agree to live peacefully and take back their Jewish land. After 70 years of conflict it is clear that the palestinians don't want peace, they just don't want a non-Arab race living among them and with the HUGE lands around Israel being controlled by Arab nations, there is plenty of space for them to settle over there.

 

You are probably right, but at the very least Israel should do the above. If that causes war, then so be it. Israelis can then add more territory like they did in 1967. Sometimes war really is the best option, and the modern idea that borders are inviolable and territories fixed in perpetuity is absurd, and contradicted by thousands of years of continual upheaval and the rise and fall of countless empires. No one has the right to territory they cannot defend.



McGilliguts said:

You are probably right, but at the very least Israel should do the above. If that causes war, then so be it. Israelis can then add more territory like they did in 1967. Sometimes war really is the best option, and the modern idea that borders are inviolable and territories fixed in perpetuity is absurd, and contradicted by thousands of years of continual upheaval and the rise and fall of countless empires. No one has the right to territory they cannot defend.

 

ok so if you cannot defend your house then you have no rights to it. gotcha.



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deskpro2k3 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Oh I see so their attempted genocide against Israel is ok then...

Perhaps you should learn yours, I spoke of 1967 but the enemies of Israel in that region have begun attacking Israel since the very beginning and 1967 was just the biggest attack against Israel, the one where they hoped to do what Hitler couldn't...

So yeah you sympathize with those monsters if you want to and conveniently ignore the crimes they have committed against Israel. And just because they have so far failed in murdering every man, woman and child in Israel does not make their intentions any less evil or justifiable.

http://history-of-israel.org/history/chronological_presentation31.php

Oh and on a different note: Shadow of the Colossus was made by the Japanese not the Jews (in case you don't add that game in that poll cause you might think it's the Jews who made that game )

 

I'm not talking about what if, and what have nots and other nonsense that's coming out from you. I clearly gave you information about why the conflict in 1967 happen. You can believe whatever the hell you want, facts and logic seems to fail you. By the way, the word "Crazy" in your name fits you will.

Great personally insult, just admit you like starocean you don't see Jews as human. Youre heavily biased its ok for one side to attack and kill but not the other because the other side is bad(the jews)



betacon said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

I'm not talking about what if, and what have nots and other nonsense that's coming out from you. I clearly gave you information about why the conflict in 1967 happen. You can believe whatever the hell you want, facts and logic seems to fail you. By the way, the word "Crazy" in your name fits you will.

Great personally insult, just admit you like starocean you don't see Jews as human. Youre heavily biased its ok for one side to attack and kill but not the other because the other side is bad(the jews)

 

This is the shit I get when I put facts on the table that explains why a certain conflict happened. Does not mean I'm taking sides..

Well so far in this thread I've learned apparently having empathy for peoples suffering is considered hatred and that will label you as an anti-semite, and "vanishing a regime" is the same as wiping out a country off the map/massacring the people.

Didn't mean to hurt you and CrazyGamer2017 feelings, oh crap I'm showing empathy again. nevermind what I said.

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Aeolus451 said:
StarOcean said:

I still don't see how being against Trump is left leaning in any way. 

And you have turned a blind eye to the native Palestinians 

The majority of your stances on political issues/policies are left leaning. It has nothing to do with trump. Anyway, I rather support a people who I share values with over pandering to a violent group of people who are just looking for any excuse to annihilate another people. Israel is here to stay because that path was decided years ago and we invested too much into it already. The Palestinians are gonna have to suck it up and learn to live with it. *shrugs    

If you have to side with one it is the Palestinians. But if you aren't with them the only solution is the eliminate both and use the country for what it's actually useful for, which to be fair, is not much