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quickrick on 26 December 2017
Ryng_Tolu said:
quickrick said:

too long of a wait, but we could do that. if we it looks like we have a clear winner can we do 6 months

That's not how this work, i expect Switch and PS4 to be close for the first half of the year, is during holiday that with Pokémon release and a first real competetive Black Friday Switch is gonna do absolutely insane.

Switch will outsell PS4 in 2018 and i don't think it will be by a small margin. If you want to bet on the intere year i'm there.

fine ill bet the whole year. the winner will be clear long before that though.



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Ryng on 26 December 2017
quickrick said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

That's not how this work, i expect Switch and PS4 to be close for the first half of the year, is during holiday that with Pokémon release and a first real competetive Black Friday Switch is gonna do absolutely insane.

Switch will outsell PS4 in 2018 and i don't think it will be by a small margin. If you want to bet on the intere year i'm there.

fine ill bet the whole year. the winner will be clear long before that though.

That's it.

PS4 VS Switch sales from January 1 to December 31 2018.

If Switch sells more i get 3 months of signature controll, if PS4 sells more you get 3 months of signature controll.

 

Don't get banned tho, because i suspect you are an alt and before this bet is over you left the site. Don't do that because i want my signature.



peachbuggy on 26 December 2017
Ryng_Tolu said:
quickrick said:

fine ill bet the whole year. the winner will be clear long before that though.

That's it.

PS4 VS Switch sales from January 1 to December 31 2018.

If Switch sells more i get 3 months of signature controll, if PS4 sells more you get 3 months of signature controll.

 

Don't get banned tho, because i suspect you are an alt and before this bet is over you left the site. Don't do that because i want my signature.

Yep i suspect that too. Hopefully he won't get banned but i wouldn't bet on it! Hopefully you will get to enjoy your sig control!



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CosmicSex on 26 December 2017
tbone51 said:
CosmicSex said:

It is highly delusional to think think that the PS4 wont win world wide in December.   Because we know about Europe's existence. We don't have enough data to figure out the US yet.  Anyone who was paying attention last month knows that online sales are heavily skewed for Switch.  So much so, the PS4 could outsell it two to one and we would ever know.  

But worldwide you really need to do some explaining to somehow overcome everything we already know about the select regions.

We know that Switch will win japan by a few hundred thousand.   We know Europe will favor PS4 with a much higher margin than Japan will favor Switch (like at least a million).   Whatever the difference is can't be made up for in the US.  

A couple hundred thousand? Isnt switch up over ps4 in dec by 350k+ now without Christmas week and final week? 

 

As for Europe nintendo pulla through much better in dec, ps4 wont blow it out by as much as you think imo. That said that means there is a chance. Its not delusional whatsoever

I never said a couple hundred thousand.  There will be weeks in Europe where the PS4 outsells the switch by 350k+ per week. 

It will make Switch's advantage in Japan futile.  It really comes down to sheer volume. 

Here check this out: 

Europe: http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2017/Europe/

Japan:   http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2017/Japan/

Just looking at these two charts you can tell that the Switch actually selling MORE in Japan than it is in Europe, but that the PS4 is selling so much more in Europe, that it is frankly insurmountable.  In other words, the margin of victory in Europe for PS4 is nearly 4 million while the margin of victory for Switch in Japan is about 1 million.   It would take something unusual to change these ratios substantially this just for the month of December so it I do believe it is delusion to think Switch can win globally without presenting something more solid.   

Like, even if Sony only wins by 2:1 instead of 4:1 in Europe vs JP,   then Sony still wins just off of volume alone.  So I will hold back from calling it delusional, I just think it isn't well grounded in reality. 



tbone51 on 26 December 2017
CosmicSex said:
tbone51 said:

A couple hundred thousand? Isnt switch up over ps4 in dec by 350k+ now without Christmas week and final week? 

 

As for Europe nintendo pulla through much better in dec, ps4 wont blow it out by as much as you think imo. That said that means there is a chance. Its not delusional whatsoever

I never said a couple hundred thousand.  There will be weeks in Europe where the PS4 outsells the switch by 350k+ per week. 

It will make Switch's advantage in Japan futile.  It really comes down to sheer volume. 

Here check this out: 

Europe: http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2017/Europe/

Japan:   http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2017/Japan/

Just looking at these two charts you can tell that the Switch actually selling MORE in Japan than it is in Europe, but that the PS4 is selling so much more in Europe, that it is frankly insurmountable.  In other words, the margin of victory in Europe for PS4 is nearly 4 million while the margin of victory for Switch in Japan is about 1 million.   It would take something unusual to change these ratios substantially this just for the month of December so it I do believe it is delusion to think Switch can win globally without presenting something more solid.   

Like, even if Sony only wins by 2:1 instead of 4:1 in Europe vs JP,   then Sony still wins just off of volume alone.  So I will hold back from calling it delusional, I just think it isn't well grounded in reality. 

I can agree to this alot more. I think WW switch can sell around 4mil in dec and ps4 around 5mil-6mil (just random guess)



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CosmicSex on 26 December 2017
tbone51 said:

I can agree to this alot more. I think WW switch can sell around 4mil in dec and ps4 around 5mil-6mil (just random guess)

Yeah at this point its just adding up numbers and I think December is Sony's biggest month too so it just boils down to how big Europe's turn out is. 



Ryng on 26 December 2017
peachbuggy said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

That's it.

PS4 VS Switch sales from January 1 to December 31 2018.

If Switch sells more i get 3 months of signature controll, if PS4 sells more you get 3 months of signature controll.

 

Don't get banned tho, because i suspect you are an alt and before this bet is over you left the site. Don't do that because i want my signature.

Yep i suspect that too. Hopefully he won't get banned but i wouldn't bet on it! Hopefully you will get to enjoy your sig control!

I surely hope so, haha.



Miyamotoo on 26 December 2017
quickrick said:
peachbuggy said:

I said it will win fairly comfortably. Going by trends and not favouritism, Nintendo systems typically get bigger December boosts,incrementally in December. Also, big game releases aside, it's usually been close between PS4 and Switch since Switch launch. Couple that with a Christmas boost for both and i think it will be close. We also have to factor in the actual availability of Switch in Japan and the fact Playstation generally doesn't get a large boost Nov.-Dec.

PS4 sales a in insane amount during the holidays WW.

Nintendo platform has biggest boost in December compared to previous months sales.



pxrocks on 26 December 2017
Kerotan said:
USA: top 3 playstation
Canada: top 7 playstation
Uk: top spot
France: none
Germany: top 3
Italy: top 2
Spain: none
Japan: top spot
India: top 11

Looking across the charts playstation is starting to assert itself again on amazon. I believe they'd be even more dominant at brick and mortar too as amazon the last few weeks was very biased towards Nintendo as npd showed us.

Amazon is not the only place that sell ps4s in INDIA theres another big online retailers such as flipkart and snapdeal which sell more ps4s  than amazon and theres a lot of local retail stores.u can't determine ps4 sell by just using amazon.india is a PlayStation land and the best selling console here is ps2 and ps4 is selling faster than ps2 in india and PlayStation india expects it to outsell ps2.i fully expect ps4 to outsell ps2 here because its best value for money console available  on the market right now.and its the only console on which u can actually get AAA single player exclusives games which is very rare.xbox1 is the cheapest console and switch is the expensive hybrid,but they are not popular here so they are not going to sell good.xbox 360 was  popular here due to its cheap price and mod.



LipeJJ on 26 December 2017
quickrick said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

Only first 6 months? Why not the intere year?

too long of a wait, but we could do that. if we it looks like we have a clear winner can we do 6 months

LipeJJ said:

Are you aware that Switch was supply constrained this year? There are even rumors suggesting Nintendo wants to ship 25m-30m next year. Lol 

I'm aware of everything. who care about some rumor, switch aint selling that much.

I guess we’ll find out next year.



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