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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Psyberius said:
KManX89 said:

You say that like hiking taxes for the poor and middle class, skyrocketing health care premiums and gutting Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and children's programs so millionaires and billionaires can keep an extra $200k is a good thing. 

No no no! But Don Donny SAID it was all to help the middle-income people on his TWEET so you're wrong! Don Donny would never lie, cheat, steal and collude against the people of the United States of America!

Superman4 said: 

As for the world stage, he handles himself just fine. He isn't afraid to call people on their BS, isn't afraid to make a decision like moving the Embassy in Israel Which the past 3 administrations said they would do but didn't. Illegals are finally being held accountable for blatantly disregarding our laws and hopefully the politicians in sanctuary cities will as well. Taxes are being reformed as we speak and that horrible insurance mandate has a good chance of being removed. China is actually starting to implement sanctions on NK it promised over a decade ago including new ones laid out by the Trump administration. You can watch CNN and believe all the BS you like, at the end of the day what Trump and his administration are actually getting accomplished makes our nation stronger. All the Dems can reap the benefits of their gender identification and social injustice by going to jail for infractions.

Ummm he handles himself well? He started isolating the USA with the Paris Accord and hasn't stopped since. He almost started a trade war with both Canada and Mexico in one day when he sat threatening the NAFTA agreement that the USA does JUST fine with. No his only problem with NAFTA was he saw a couple automotive plants go to Mexico and panicked without a single other reason. Every single meeting he has with other nations, look at how disgusted their leaders look towards him. The USA has gone from disliked to absolutely hated by the international community.

Moving the Embassy in Isreal? Do you and he remember that Isreal is surrounded by a hundred million Muslims in like ten countries? Oh yes, propping up Isreal was just the BEST thing he could do.

Illegal aliens have always been thrown in prison if they did anything wrong. Short of that they cannot fill already overfilled prisons with people who sneak into the USA because the prisons are already BURSTING at the seams with real criminals.

China is only implementing sanctions because the USA has alienated a now nuclear and NEVER going to stop being nuclear country into pushing their weapons processes into hyperdrive. Their people don't have lights for large parts of the day and are slowly being starved. If anything, Don Donny just made the humanitarian problem in North Korea worse AND the bombs are NOT going to go away. You and most everybody forgets something about the sanctions that North Korea has....they have a full fleet of submarines happily doing business with every 3rd world country they feel like. There's no naval blockade so if N/K wants to sell coal to Africa, they will and are. If it's not already happening, North Korea will be in the drug trafficking business and seeing as how North Korea ships would be allowed to be boarded about ten minutes before bombs started landing on Seoul South Korea, neither those subs nor tankers nor transport ships will be stopped.

Lastly, WHAT has Trump got done? Healthcare? Well he's cut funding to things so he's forcing already stressed Americans to having less health care than they did. The plan he TRIED to push? TWENTY-TWO MILLION Americans would have lost healthcare within three years. That's about fifteen percent of the whole country without health care. OH YES, that was a GRAND plan by a psychotic leader. Let's make sure LESS people have health care. GREAT PLAN!

Tax reform? Right, the people who needed the help got screwed, the people with the money are making more and overall there's now less money towards the deficit. Yes, he sure got that one done right.

OH WAIT THOUGH! He's now going to make his own space station on the moon versus doing the smart and less expensive option of adding to the ISS. Why? Because Don Donny doesn't want to work with the International community in ANYTHING other than US goods flowing into their country without any goods flowing back to the US.

Lastly, A personal comment. That door that's closing for Don Donny Jr. prison cell is closing. He can't lie because everyone else is cracking like walnuts that were in on those meetings. That's the problem with breaking the law with others...one person gets caught or breaks, the next one does and before it reaches the center the guy with the most to lose doesn't have a frigging clue what to say because if he says too little, he's hiding, he says too much he makes it worse on the Kingpin which is Don Donny. But why bother with all these people after Don Donny's party of crooks? Don Donny admitted on his TWEETER that he colluded with Russia. Nobody believes it was his lawyer and with good reason...Don Donny is a liar.

The President Of The United States is a liar. All Hail the might president everyone should be looking up to.(when he's finally home in jail).

So much fail in this I don't even know where to start.  I guess I'll start with Immigration. Nobody is saying to throw illegals in jail, we are saying deport them and remove programs that encourage more of them. Once people figure out it's not worth coming here illegally the numbers will drop considerably, something that border agents are already stating is happening.

NK. Trump is forcing China's hand, something that should have happened ages ago. Humanitarian aid only helps the regime. Kim doles it out like he is the saviour. Kim knows his time is limited and thinks a nuke is the answer, just like his father did. Kid gloves feeds regime and they get Nuke, sanctions hurt regime and they get Nuke. At some point the people with realize Kim is the problem and not the answer. 

Obama Care. Before the ACA everyone had the ability to buy healthcare. It was expensive if bought alone but generally affordable when subsidized by an employer, both offered pretty good benefits for the most part. Since the ACA most of the plans have gone away from employers, mostly shifted to HSAs. The plans offered outside of an HSA are very expensive and cover far less than they did before the ACA. People who still cant afford the "low cost" exchange are penalized on their taxes at the end of the year if they dont have insurance throughout the year and people who normally wouldn't have coverage are forced to pay for it as well. With a mandate of everyone to have insurance the insurance companies are free to reduce coverage and raise rates as much as they like, which is happening. Some are even pulling out of the exchange and not offering low cost plans. The ACA hurts people, it doesn't help them. Forcing people to pay for insurance and giving complete control to insurance companies is not the answer. That "millions will lose insurance" BS is just that. If Insurance wasn't offered through my work I wouldn't have insurance. That would be my choice just like millions of other people who didn't want insurance before it was required. ACA needs to be eliminated entirely. If you want social healthcare then apply a 5% tax to everyone's wages and make it exempt from write offs, eliminate all health insurance companies and cover all medical procedures aside from cosmetic for everyone.   Stop trying to make people with money pay for everything at a disproportionate rate. Percentages are the only fair way to deal with these issues.

Tax reform is coming and everyone benefits. The rich do get a bigger cut than the rest however they also pay the most percentage wise. They still pay a higher percentage and are losing a lot of the write offs they once used. Small businesses are getting a tax break and can also benefit from pass-through income. The real-estate write off was lowered to 500K from 1 million...you know to hurt the poor people...The Child tax credit was increased as was the standard deduction...which most people use or will now be able to which will help with lower tax forms for the middle class. 



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KManX89 said:
specialk said:

lol

Behold, the dramatically high bar set for women, democrats, and competent people. And the dramatically low bar set for men, republicans, and incompetent people.

No kidding. Still supporting this incompetent buffoon even after he makes them foot the bill to pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations and tried to take their healthcare away, you can't make this shit up.

He isn't trying to take my health care away, I don't get healthcare through the ACA exchange. He also isn't just cutting taxes for the wealthy, he is cutting taxes for everyone.

Everyone under 165k per year will receive a 3% tax deduction except the first tax bracket of 0-$9500 for singles. They will stay at 10% Standard deduction doubles for singles and couples, 12K for singles and 24K for couples. Child credit also doubles from 1K to 2K per child. Unless you make over $165K per year and have writeoffs over 24K as a couple you will save money. 



Superman4 said:
KManX89 said:

No kidding. Still supporting this incompetent buffoon even after he makes them foot the bill to pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations and tried to take their healthcare away, you can't make this shit up.

He isn't trying to take my health care away, I don't get healthcare through the ACA exchange. He also isn't just cutting taxes for the wealthy, he is cutting taxes for everyone.

Everyone under 165k per year will receive a 3% tax deduction except the first tax bracket of 0-$9500 for singles. They will stay at 10% Standard deduction doubles for singles and couples, 12K for singles and 24K for couples. Child credit also doubles from 1K to 2K per child. Unless you make over $165K per year and have writeoffs over 24K as a couple you will save money. 

Yes he is (or should I say, was), and no he isn't

By 2027, every income group making below 75k a year would see a tax increase, on average under this new "tax reform" bill. 

It also guts Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security all so people making millions/billions of dollars can keep more piles of cash, so no, it does NOT "benefit everyone", it benefits the wealthy at the middle and poor classes' expense (because it worked so well for us under the Bush administration).

As for people "voluntarily" going off insurance without the mandate, that lie has also been beaten to death. Most of the 22 million losing health insurance wouldn't "choose" to go off their coverage at all, 15 million of those expected to lose coverage would be literally kicked off their insurance due to lack of Medicaid per the CBO. Now that we're on the subject of the insurance mandate, premiums were actually going up at a much higher rate before the ACA.

You can moan all you want about the government "forcing" you to buy insurance, without the mandate, you'd be paying a lot MORE for health coverage, as much as 10% more.

You Trump supporters really are allergic to facts. 

Last edited by KManX89 - on 18 December 2017

Superman4 said:

The President Of The United States is a liar. All Hail the might president everyone should be looking up to.(when he's finally home in jail).

So much fail in this I don't even know where to start.  I guess I'll start with Immigration. Nobody is saying to throw illegals in jail, we are saying deport them and remove programs that encourage more of them. Once people figure out it's not worth coming here illegally the numbers will drop considerably, something that border agents are already stating is happening.

NK. Trump is forcing China's hand, something that should have happened ages ago. Humanitarian aid only helps the regime. Kim doles it out like he is the saviour. Kim knows his time is limited and thinks a nuke is the answer, just like his father did. Kid gloves feeds regime and they get Nuke, sanctions hurt regime and they get Nuke. At some point the people with realize Kim is the problem and not the answer. 

Obama Care. Before the ACA everyone had the ability to buy healthcare. It was expensive if bought alone but generally affordable when subsidized by an employer, both offered pretty good benefits for the most part. Since the ACA most of the plans have gone away from employers, mostly shifted to HSAs. The plans offered outside of an HSA are very expensive and cover far less than they did before the ACA. People who still cant afford the "low cost" exchange are penalized on their taxes at the end of the year if they dont have insurance throughout the year and people who normally wouldn't have coverage are forced to pay for it as well. With a mandate of everyone to have insurance the insurance companies are free to reduce coverage and raise rates as much as they like, which is happening. Some are even pulling out of the exchange and not offering low cost plans. The ACA hurts people, it doesn't help them. Forcing people to pay for insurance and giving complete control to insurance companies is not the answer. That "millions will lose insurance" BS is just that. If Insurance wasn't offered through my work I wouldn't have insurance. That would be my choice just like millions of other people who didn't want insurance before it was required. ACA needs to be eliminated entirely. If you want social healthcare then apply a 5% tax to everyone's wages and make it exempt from write offs, eliminate all health insurance companies and cover all medical procedures aside from cosmetic for everyone.   Stop trying to make people with money pay for everything at a disproportionate rate. Percentages are the only fair way to deal with these issues.

Tax reform is coming and everyone benefits. The rich do get a bigger cut than the rest however they also pay the most percentage wise. They still pay a higher percentage and are losing a lot of the write offs they once used. Small businesses are getting a tax break and can also benefit from pass-through income. The real-estate write off was lowered to 500K from 1 million...you know to hurt the poor people...The Child tax credit was increased as was the standard deduction...which most people use or will now be able to which will help with lower tax forms for the middle class. 

Ummm wasn't everybody deporting illegal aliens before? Could have sworn pretty much everyone was unless they were claiming asylum from a serious issue from where they were coming from.

Denying them Humanitarian Aid only helps the regime? Take a look at that. Humanitarian Aid...as in aid to stop people from starving to death helps the regime. Do not kid yourself of one thing...there is NOTHING that the world can do that will turn NK away from their nukes. Their leader has his people whipped up into a fury so much that they believe a million American soldiers are going to invade them like tomorrow. Of course the joint South Korea/American "drills" they keep doing wouldn't be making THAT any worse, oh no.

Don't kid yourself. It's the pressure that the world is putting on NK that is making NK feel the need to have nuclear ICBMs.

Now there's certainly no denying that Kim Jong is taking everything his people need from his people but his people need to stand the fuck up too. I love China not letting North Korea profit so much off coal etc but when they kill that, Kim will switch to poppies. You watch...he'll be the next Columbia only the drugs will be state-sponsored and delivered to American shores with REAL subs, not the ones sinking that try to come to Florida.

Obamacare could have been fixed with a president that wasn't bent on erasing anything that had "Obama" with it so he can make a "Trump" version. Things that are bent or broken can be unbent or fixed.  The latest health care "reform" is going to leave over TWENTY MILLION Americans without any care at all. Yes, that SURE beats Obamacare.

The rich should pay more because they are able to access revenue sources that middle-income people don't even know about. Sorry but I feel ZERO compassion with the rich kicking in a bit more to help the poor. NONE AT ALL.



The thing I find most hilarious is how people actually can believe that lowering taxes for the wealth would spur growth in the economy. If you really would like to see the economy skyrocket, cut the taxes for low income individuals by half. It´s not strange that the richest people in the country want their taxes to be lower, the weird thing is how average voters can fall for it every time.



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Puppyroach said:
The thing I find most hilarious is how people actually can believe that lowering taxes for the wealth would spur growth in the economy. If you really would like to see the economy skyrocket, cut the taxes for low income individuals by half. It´s not strange that the richest people in the country want their taxes to be lower, the weird thing is how average voters can fall for it every time.

It's the only logical thing to do. My pay raises always go directly to charity. I'm sure those multi billion dollar companies with billions of cash reserves will do the same.



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KManX89 said:
Superman4 said:

He isn't trying to take my health care away, I don't get healthcare through the ACA exchange. He also isn't just cutting taxes for the wealthy, he is cutting taxes for everyone.

Everyone under 165k per year will receive a 3% tax deduction except the first tax bracket of 0-$9500 for singles. They will stay at 10% Standard deduction doubles for singles and couples, 12K for singles and 24K for couples. Child credit also doubles from 1K to 2K per child. Unless you make over $165K per year and have writeoffs over 24K as a couple you will save money. 

Yes he is (or should I say, was), and no he isn't

By 2027, every income group making below 75k a year would see a tax increase, on average under this new "tax reform" bill. 

It also guts Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security all so people making millions/billions of dollars can keep more piles of cash, so no, it does NOT "benefit everyone", it benefits the wealthy at the middle and poor classes' expense (because it worked so well for us under the Bush administration).

As for people "voluntarily" going off insurance without the mandate, that lie has also been beaten to death. Most of the 22 million losing health insurance wouldn't "choose" to go off their coverage at all, 15 million of those expected to lose coverage would be literally kicked off their insurance due to lack of Medicaid per the CBO. Now that we're on the subject of the insurance mandate, premiums were actually going up at a much higher rate before the ACA.

You can moan all you want about the government "forcing" you to buy insurance, without the mandate, you'd be paying a lot MORE for health coverage, as much as 10% more.

You Trump supporters really are allergic to facts. 

The Fact is I was paying half of what I am now for insurance before the ACA and had much better benefits. That is fact. You can throw all the charts you want at me but it wont change that fact. 

Medicare and SSN are not affected by this tax plan. They may get cut at a later date, but have nothing to do with this tax plan.  Here is a basic calculator for you and everyone else to gauge what you will owe under the new tax plan.

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-new-trump-tax-calculator-what-do-you-owe-2017-10-26

As for the tax cuts going up, they actually dont. You will have the new tax rates until 2025 and then this plan expires and the plans go back to what they are now. The corporate tax rates will remain the same. The individual for all tax brackets will reset to current levels. So individuals get a tax break for 7 years, corporations get one forever. That does not mean however that an extension on the tax rates wont get approved or a modification wont come either. Tax rates will just return to what they are now. Its kind of like Obama care, nobody wants it but now that they have it they don't want to give it up. Whoever is in office in 7 years will face the decision to raise taxes back to existing levels or leave the cuts in place. Ill bet people wont be clamoring for tax increases in 7 years.



Superman4 said:
KManX89 said:

Yes he is (or should I say, was), and no he isn't

By 2027, every income group making below 75k a year would see a tax increase, on average under this new "tax reform" bill. 

It also guts Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security all so people making millions/billions of dollars can keep more piles of cash, so no, it does NOT "benefit everyone", it benefits the wealthy at the middle and poor classes' expense (because it worked so well for us under the Bush administration).

As for people "voluntarily" going off insurance without the mandate, that lie has also been beaten to death. Most of the 22 million losing health insurance wouldn't "choose" to go off their coverage at all, 15 million of those expected to lose coverage would be literally kicked off their insurance due to lack of Medicaid per the CBO. Now that we're on the subject of the insurance mandate, premiums were actually going up at a much higher rate before the ACA.

You can moan all you want about the government "forcing" you to buy insurance, without the mandate, you'd be paying a lot MORE for health coverage, as much as 10% more.

You Trump supporters really are allergic to facts. 

The Fact is I was paying half of what I am now for insurance before the ACA and had much better benefits. That is fact. You can throw all the charts you want at me but it wont change that fact. 

Medicare and SSN are not affected by this tax plan. They may get cut at a later date, but have nothing to do with this tax plan.  Here is a basic calculator for you and everyone else to gauge what you will owe under the new tax plan.

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-new-trump-tax-calculator-what-do-you-owe-2017-10-26

As for the tax cuts going up, they actually dont. You will have the new tax rates until 2025 and then this plan expires and the plans go back to what they are now. The corporate tax rates will remain the same. The individual for all tax brackets will reset to current levels. So individuals get a tax break for 7 years, corporations get one forever. That does not mean however that an extension on the tax rates wont get approved or a modification wont come either. Tax rates will just return to what they are now. Its kind of like Obama care, nobody wants it but now that they have it they don't want to give it up. Whoever is in office in 7 years will face the decision to raise taxes back to existing levels or leave the cuts in place. Ill bet people wont be clamoring for tax increases in 7 years.

Yea, I never understand all these "stats" showing health insurance. There is not one single person I know or talked to that their health insurance has gotten either better or cheaper since the ACA was implemented. Every single job I've had since it was implemented changed their policies they had since forever due to them being too expensive, and even then they still had to raise prices (something which they said they hadn't had to do in like 10 years)

Right now at my current job I was just informed that our health insurance will go up again if we keep current plan. For reference, someone in their 30's and healthy is going to have to pay like $900 more this year than last year for them and their spouses insurance. I have Farmer relatives and friends and their insurance went from like 10k a year to 30k a year just recently. My parents neighbors are near medicare but a year or two away. They are retired and their monthly insurance went up from like 1,200 to 2,700 a month.

The stories could go on and on. People that voted for Trump that I know did it 100% for the hope that something would be done to fix the insurance system. We, the middle class, can not afford it. No idea what Trump or Republican's will do about it, seems all I hear is them failling to do anything. Meaning we are seeing exactly what would be happening if Hilary was President, cause her and Democrats would have done NOTHING as well about it.

As for current tax plan. To all those media companies screaming to the high heavens about how taxes for us middle class will raise, you better damn hope they do. If come taxes next year the average person gets a big tax refund, they ain't going to give a shit about what tax break Bill Gates got, they are just going to know that they got say double the refund from prior years, yet the news told them they were going to be paying more. Whether they are going to be screwed in 7 years or bill gates got a bigger refund or not won't matter to them. They will just know they got a huge refund and the media lied to them saying they wouldn't.  People are short term people. They only care about now.



Trump's tax cuts will see him re-elected for a second term. Trump's tax cuts are great for Americans and the cuts will create millions of jobs. It is not a big deal that the tax cuts will add more debt to the Balanced budgets do not mean anything because the government has the license to print as much money as it wants through its Federal reserve and governments can issue long term bonds.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Trump's tax cuts will see him re-elected for a second term. Trump's tax cuts are great for Americans and the cuts will create millions of jobs. It is not a big deal that the tax cuts will add more debt to the Balanced budgets do not mean anything because the government has the license to print as much money as it wants through its Federal reserve and governments can issue long term bonds.

That's the thing. I'm not exactly sure people see Trump having a single fingernail to do with getting the tax reform done. If anything, I believe Trump was TOLD to keep his ass the hell away from the Senate if they wanted a chance of the bill passing.

And if people will vote for him? They're complete lunatics and other than rightfully locking them up, there's no other way to control their voting finger.