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Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 86 15.69%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 14 2.55%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 36 6.57%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.28%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.09%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.18%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 14 2.55%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.36%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 357 65.15%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 25 4.56%
 
Total:548
jason1637 said:

 

Machiavellian said:

What exactly is there to negotiate.  Trump has not given anything to the Dems to make them budge.  He has blamed them for everything even when he is the one who stated he wanted the shutdown.  If you remember the Dems tried to work with Trump and was willing to give him his 25 billion for the wall.  I guess you forgot what happened then as well.  Right wing media blew it up just like they did now and he backed out.  After that point and another back out by Trump, why would the Dems go through that again.  Right wing media is what controls Trump and so if the Dems want to negotiate they should go to them first and not Trump. 

Everyone knows this isn't about the wall.  It's definitely not about boarder security because there really isn't a real plan from the WH.  5.6 Billion isn't building anything.  It's definitely not putting into place any real security with that wall and exactly what will it cover.  It's a 15 year project that will cost probably 50 Billion or more.  It's just another stunt from Trump to say he did something but we are footing the bill or for his ego.

This can all end if McConnell put the vote on the bills that passed the house on the Senate floor and they can push it through without the President.  This is about politics on both sides and the GOP and the President have given nothing for the Dems to change their minds.  When the GOP had the majority in Congress and the White House, they didn't even try to pass a bill for this wall.  The GOP didn't want it and Trump really didn't care.  Now that the Dems control the house we are all to believe that the wall is so important now, after 2 years not caring.  This is the reason con men thrive in the US.  The polls will be what make any movement on this issue and when the GOP see favor slipping for their future 2020 bid, then McConnell will put those bills on the Senate floor and we will move on.

TBH Trump was dumb to back off from the DACA deal. It would have helped DACA recipients not have to live with the fear of getting deported and would have gave lots of money towards the wall.

Trump has offered things Democrats want though. He is willing to increase things like technology in the southern border which democrats have been asking for. He has alo said that it does not even have to be a whole wall but can also be a large fence which Democrats have wanted for awhile now.

Trump has a trust problem.  The Dems do not trust him and he hasn't shone he can be trusted.  Right now, the Dems are saying we will do nothing about wall as part of opening the government.  They do not want it included in the deal period.  They have stated they want this to be something done properly and a comprehensive reform not some one off BS that will be on the next agenda come February.   I cannot really blame them because if they back down now they will continue to back down every time Trump pulls this stunt again.  Actually the last talks he just had with the Dems he just threw another demand down saying fund his wall in 30 days.  Of course the Dems said no and he walked out of the meeting.  If you believe that is negotiating where you throw out demands but give nothing in return, then Trump is doing great.  

The thing is, Trump really isn't looking to negotiate and he really isn't concerned about the shutdown since it stalls the current investigations (federal) going on.  Hell, Manafort lawyers revealed that he was passing data to a Russian agent during the campaign including after he was let go.  



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Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

 

TBH Trump was dumb to back off from the DACA deal. It would have helped DACA recipients not have to live with the fear of getting deported and would have gave lots of money towards the wall.

Trump has offered things Democrats want though. He is willing to increase things like technology in the southern border which democrats have been asking for. He has alo said that it does not even have to be a whole wall but can also be a large fence which Democrats have wanted for awhile now.

Trump has a trust problem.  The Dems do not trust him and he hasn't shone he can be trusted.  Right now, the Dems are saying we will do nothing about wall as part of opening the government.  They do not want it included in the deal period.  They have stated they want this to be something done properly and a comprehensive reform not some one off BS that will be on the next agenda come February.   I cannot really blame them because if they back down now they will continue to back down every time Trump pulls this stunt again.  Actually the last talks he just had with the Dems he just threw another demand down saying fund his wall in 30 days.  Of course the Dems said no and he walked out of the meeting.  If you believe that is negotiating where you throw out demands but give nothing in return, then Trump is doing great.  

The thing is, Trump really isn't looking to negotiate and he really isn't concerned about the shutdown since it stalls the current investigations (federal) going on.  Hell, Manafort lawyers revealed that he was passing data to a Russian agent during the campaign including after he was let go.  

In the meeting he asked about what he can do to get them to agree to the wall and then asked if he were to open the government would they fund the wall. They said no to both of these and Trump has offered them nw tech in the border, a fence etc. He left because they don't want to cut a deal.



jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

Trump has a trust problem.  The Dems do not trust him and he hasn't shone he can be trusted.  Right now, the Dems are saying we will do nothing about wall as part of opening the government.  They do not want it included in the deal period.  They have stated they want this to be something done properly and a comprehensive reform not some one off BS that will be on the next agenda come February.   I cannot really blame them because if they back down now they will continue to back down every time Trump pulls this stunt again.  Actually the last talks he just had with the Dems he just threw another demand down saying fund his wall in 30 days.  Of course the Dems said no and he walked out of the meeting.  If you believe that is negotiating where you throw out demands but give nothing in return, then Trump is doing great.  

The thing is, Trump really isn't looking to negotiate and he really isn't concerned about the shutdown since it stalls the current investigations (federal) going on.  Hell, Manafort lawyers revealed that he was passing data to a Russian agent during the campaign including after he was let go.  

In the meeting he asked about what he can do to get them to agree to the wall and then asked if he were to open the government would they fund the wall. They said no to both of these and Trump has offered them nw tech in the border, a fence etc. He left because they don't want to cut a deal.

new tech in the border, a fence etc. aren't particularly good offerings. It seems to me that many of those who voted for the Democrats are fundamentally against the wall, they have to achieve a realy good deal to sell it to their followers.



MrWayne said:
jason1637 said:

In the meeting he asked about what he can do to get them to agree to the wall and then asked if he were to open the government would they fund the wall. They said no to both of these and Trump has offered them nw tech in the border, a fence etc. He left because they don't want to cut a deal.

new tech in the border, a fence etc. aren't particularly good offerings. It seems to me that many of those who voted for the Democrats are fundamentally against the wall, they have to achieve a realy good deal to sell it to their followers.

Yeah but tech and a fence are things Democrats have wanted. In he also ask them what they want in the meeting and they didn't bring anything.



jason1637 said:
MrWayne said:

new tech in the border, a fence etc. aren't particularly good offerings. It seems to me that many of those who voted for the Democrats are fundamentally against the wall, they have to achieve a realy good deal to sell it to their followers.

Yeah but tech and a fence are things Democrats have wanted. In he also ask them what they want in the meeting and they didn't bring anything.

But are these the only things they want in exchange for the wall? I haven't seen a confirmation on that and as I said I highly doubt that those are the only things they demand.



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MrWayne said:
jason1637 said:

Yeah but tech and a fence are things Democrats have wanted. In he also ask them what they want in the meeting and they didn't bring anything.

But are these the only things they want in exchange for the wall? I haven't seen a confirmation on that and as I said I highly doubt that those are the only things they demand.

There are probably more things but they are refusing to add deals to the table and just him to open the government. 



jason1637 said:
MrWayne said:

But are these the only things they want in exchange for the wall? I haven't seen a confirmation on that and as I said I highly doubt that those are the only things they demand.

There are probably more things but they are refusing to add deals to the table and just him to open the government. 

I heard Dems and Reps already made a deal but trump didn't agree to it. I personally guess it's about the money, Trump want the full money but the Dems want a compromise on the money too.
They should just end the government shutdown and deal with the wall at a late date. The people need their money to buy food and pay their rent, that's more important.



MrWayne said:
jason1637 said:

There are probably more things but they are refusing to add deals to the table and just him to open the government. 

I heard Dems and Reps already made a deal but trump didn't agree to it. I personally guess it's about the money, Trump want the full money but the Dems want a compromise on the money too.
They should just end the government shutdown and deal with the wall at a late date. The people need their money to buy food and pay their rent, that's more important.

I agree that this should end so people can get back to work but Trump knows that this will be his only leverage to getting his wall so I can see why he is so resistent.

And yeah the first psending bill was passed by the house and senate but it did not give border funding so trump used his veto.



Trump is a mother fucking business genius, who's very generous. He ran a casino and it literally shut down cause he was giving away too much money. If that isnt a generous person I dont know what is. He's giving people money and pouring money into the country through something he secretly slipped in at the end of a long arduous document where he admits america has a 2 trillion dollar fund saved up, and hes giving it away for free to loyal patriots. Theres no requirements except being a patriot, and you can receive thousands of dollars for nothing. If you dont believe me look it up.

America is no longer a country, its a corporation. We needed a president like Trump to redefine what it means to be a president. He is stern, can be an idiot, has no shame about his promiscuous lifestyle before becoming president, and who cares if he is paying chicks hush money to not talk about the wild sex he has obviously had. He admits when hes wrong when necessary, Or doubles down on his bluff, getting back to the casino point. He a gambling man who is making america great again through business tactics and coercion, and taking major gambles with his words. I dont care if hes a bit crude and does locker room talk, he gets shit done. Also If you've never been in the locker room and heard men talk shit about fucking females, then I feel bad for ya. Truly. Men do talk like that in private even if they actually do things in a respectful manner in real life, its a chauvinistic pride thing.

Trump played up being an idiot to get the idiot vote, and he said nothing about the white priders pretty much to get their vote. You can be proud of being any race but white it seems. By white I dont mean mixed race people with white skin, I mean being Nordic. So its Nordic pride I'm talking about, if it were a white skin thing that would make me racist, but I honestly am a bit racist, we all are, whether we want to admit it or not, we want our race to succeed, unless you're a race traitor, and them fuck off. My races are nordic and neanderthal and I take pride in being pure European/Nord with the max amount of neanderthal genes that are different from homosapien genes (5% genetic variation, I'm literally a full blooded Nordic Neanderthal). I have the neanderthal 3 head and giant brain size, my bones are near unbreakable(occasional hairline fractures from martial arts training and fight club), I have no floating ribs(all my ribs are literally connected to my spine, which makes for very painful back problems if I dont fucking stand up straight like the proud nordic man I am) I can move very slowly and thoughtfully, but like the other neanderthal race that exists, the mongrols like the chinese and mongolians, I can be fast as lightning. My lungs stretch down to my bellybutton, I can hold my breath for over 5 minutes, and even 10 minutes if I can push past the brain death, which makes my adrenal gland produce adrenochrome, that shit that gives you superhuman abilities like the granny lifting the cars to save a child and the like, anyways enough bragging about how I'm a literal superhuman...

President Trump is a Nord too, and all Nordic descendants interbred with neanderthals and have some of their genetic makeup(1-5%). He is a self made billionare, and only started with 500 million and turned it into 4 billions, which is the equivilant of turning 5000 dollars into 4 millions dollars, and I know disinformation has come out claiming his father gave him a lot more, but that was personal money not money for building his business. Trump is pouring every fiber of his being into being the best president we've ever had and making america great again. I respect the fuck out of his style, his boldness, and I would gladly not be a nonparticipant and vote for him for his second term.

Lastly, some people call him a draft dodger because of painful bone spurs. This is nonsense? Wanna see his xrays? That shit hurts. I know because I have bone spurs too. Its not something you would want a soldier having to deal with, it would distract from the battlefield if they did this. Bone spurs are a neanderthal trait and you literally have to massage them away over a great length of time or go through the pain of having them surgically removed. Trump is the greatest businessman in the world, and while he has connection to the Rothschilds, he literally isnt one of them. He doesnt do all the bullshit hand symbols they all do, though he knows them from his obvious skills at nuerolinguistic programming. Hes going against the control scheme and trying to make us americans own our own country again, just like Hitler did with Germany before things went terribly terribly wrong and WW2 broke out. Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if WW3 breaks out over what hes doing and he serves a wartime third term like a few presidents have done in the past. Id gladly fight for my country, bone spurs or not.

As Beloved Leader’s Shutdown stands poised to become the longest one ever, I am reminded of his empty promise that the Wall would be built in his first 100 days and that Mexico would pay for it directly and entirely.

But despite controlling the House, Senate and Oval Office for two years, the self-proclaimed “dealmaker” couldn’t be assed to roll out of bed and get anything done. Unsurprisingly, with his work “ethic” of taking as many vacations as possible and sleeping through meetings, he is so unaccomplished that that he single-handedly debunked the notion of “the government that governs least governs Best”. Turns out it just governs least, and in his case, badly at that.

Three shutdowns on his watch, no wall, and now he’s throwing a tantrum because no one will allow West Koreans to put a down payment on his useless vanity project that should have been completed by now. This is not due to his opponents, but his failure to lead when his Party had the votes and influence to get it done. That time has passed.

Where’s your crown, King Nothing?