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Aeolus451 said:
FIT_Gamer said:

I'm not injecting anything. Those are David Duke's words. 

Trump never promised anything to them or endorsed them. No one wants anything to do with 'em. 

Let's flip this around to show the fallacy in your way of thinking. Black supremacists liked obama.  They were certainly more active with him in office but was he responsible for them or their actions just because they liked him?

Who are the "black supremasists"? Not wanting to be shot by law enforcement when walking home from school, or choked to death for selling CDs on a sidewalk, or shot 7 times for reaching for your registration in a car with a child in the back seat is not a supremasist movement. Black people aren't advocating for walls to block white people out last I checked. 

Trump has quietly tried to court the support of white supremasist movements by winking at them (retweeting things from Neo Nazis), pushing agendas they agree with, and refusing to denounce them by name when any other president would have, and has caused egregious damage to his presidency for being dumb enough to think there wouldn't be massive blow back. 



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Aeolus451 said:
FIT_Gamer said:

I'm not injecting anything. Those are David Duke's words. 

Trump never promised anything to them or endorsed them. No one wants anything to do with 'em. 

Let's flip this around to show the fallacy in your way of thinking. Black supremacists liked obama.  They were certainly more active with him in office but was he responsible for them or their actions just because they liked him?

Not privy to these "Black supremacists" you speak of. Can you point to the groups that are mission to "make america black again", becasue I haven't seen it. 



Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Trump never promised anything to them or endorsed them. No one wants anything to do with 'em. 

Let's flip this around to show the fallacy in your way of thinking. Black supremacists liked obama.  They were certainly more active with him in office but was he responsible for them or their actions just because they liked him?

Who are the "black supremasists"? Not wanting to be shot by law enforcement when walking home from school, or choked to death for selling CDs on a sidewalk, or shot 7 times for reaching for your registration in a car with a child in the back seat is not a supremasist movement. Black people aren't advocating for walls to block white people out last I checked. 

Trump has quietly tried to court the support of white supremasist movements by winking at them (retweeting things from Neo Nazis), pushing agendas they agree with, and refusing to denounce them by name when any other president would have, and has caused egregious damage to his presidency for being dumb enough to think there wouldn't be massive blow back. 

A good strawman. A black supremacist is just like a white supremacist except with different races. Yes, they exist.



Aeolus451 said:

A good strawman. A black supremacist is just like a white supremacist except with different races. Yes, they exist.

I'm not saying people with a black supremacist mindset don't exist, cause obviously those types of people exist in every race.

That being said, you have yet to point out these "black supremacist" groups causing trouble during Obama's presidency? 



FIT_Gamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

Trump never promised anything to them or endorsed them. No one wants anything to do with 'em. 

Let's flip this around to show the fallacy in your way of thinking. Black supremacists liked obama.  They were certainly more active with him in office but was he responsible for them or their actions just because they liked him?

Not privy to these "Black supremacists" you speak of. Can you point to the groups that are mission to "make america black again", becasue I haven't seen it. 

Micah Xavier Johnson. Ambushed and killed some cops. His social media is littered with the kind of things a supremacist would say. Tariq Nasheed is another but he's alive. I think Tariq is mainly in it to make money but none the less, he's says alot of fucked up things. There's others but you'll have to look 'em up. Ya got google for a reason. 

You ignored my point about black supremacists liking obama but that mean obama goes along with their ideology. Anyone can like and say just about anything about a public figure. A public figure can't help who's like them. 



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Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Who are the "black supremasists"? Not wanting to be shot by law enforcement when walking home from school, or choked to death for selling CDs on a sidewalk, or shot 7 times for reaching for your registration in a car with a child in the back seat is not a supremasist movement. Black people aren't advocating for walls to block white people out last I checked. 

Trump has quietly tried to court the support of white supremasist movements by winking at them (retweeting things from Neo Nazis), pushing agendas they agree with, and refusing to denounce them by name when any other president would have, and has caused egregious damage to his presidency for being dumb enough to think there wouldn't be massive blow back. 

A good strawman. A black supremacist is just like a white supremacist except with different races. Yes, they exist.

Yes and people do get hit with lightning too. There is no credible "black supremasist" movement in the US comparable to white supremasist movements. BLM is a movement borne out of not wanting to get shot to death by police for having a darker skin tone and wanting accountability when it does happen to innocent citizens. That's not equivalent to the KKK/Neo-Nazis. 



Aeolus451 said:

Micah Xavier Johnson. Ambushed and killed some cops. His social media is littered with the kind of things a supremacist would say. Tariq Nasheed is another but he's alive. I think Tariq is mainly in it to make money but none the less, he's says alot of fucked up things. There's others but you'll have to look 'em up. Ya got google for a reason. 

You ignored my point about black supremacists liking obama but that mean obama goes along with their ideology. Anyone can like and say just about anything about a public figure. A public figure can't help who's like them. 

There's a big difference between racist individuals and racist nation wide organizations. These organizations are under the impression that Trump is with them. I mean his father was part of the KKK. 



Aeolus451 said:
FIT_Gamer said:

Not privy to these "Black supremacists" you speak of. Can you point to the groups that are mission to "make america black again", becasue I haven't seen it. 

Micah Xavier Johnson. Ambushed and killed some cops. His social media is littered with the kind of things a supremacist would say. Tariq Nasheed is another but he's alive. I think Tariq is mainly in it to make money but none the less, he's says alot of fucked up things. There's others but you'll have to look 'em up. Ya got google for a reason. 

You ignored my point about black supremacists liking obama but that mean obama goes along with their ideology. Anyone can like and say just about anything about a public figure. A public figure can't help who's like them. 

Yes a "public figure" can't help that, but he can STAND UP and lead in a moment and denounce things like a KKK, Neo-Nazi rally in which a person was killed and several others could have been killed. 

I'd say actually it's a requirement of being president, one in which Trump failed horribly at and has now wounded his presidency perhaps irrepairably by. 

The last 4 weeks has been bad enough for him but Charlottsville was just the slam dunk cherry on top of a sundae of shit. 



FIT_Gamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

A good strawman. A black supremacist is just like a white supremacist except with different races. Yes, they exist.

I'm not saying people with a black supremacist mindset don't exist, cause obviously those types of people exist in every race.

That being said, you have yet to point out these "black supremacist" groups causing trouble during Obama's presidency? 

"In 2013, race was reported for 5,814 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:

52.4 percent were White.

24.3 percent were Black or African American.

7.0 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (Group of Multiple Races).

0.8 percent (49 offenders) were American Indian or Alaska Native.

0.7 percent (40 offenders) were Asian.

0.1 percent (3 offenders) were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

14.8 percent were unknown. (Based on Table 9.)"

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2013/topic-pages/offenders/offenders_final

Blacks only make up 12% of US population btw.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

There's a lot of info on the topic in general with sourced citations. 



FIT_Gamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

Micah Xavier Johnson. Ambushed and killed some cops. His social media is littered with the kind of things a supremacist would say. Tariq Nasheed is another but he's alive. I think Tariq is mainly in it to make money but none the less, he's says alot of fucked up things. There's others but you'll have to look 'em up. Ya got google for a reason. 

You ignored my point about black supremacists liking obama but that mean obama goes along with their ideology. Anyone can like and say just about anything about a public figure. A public figure can't help who's like them. 

There's a big difference between racist individuals and racist nation wide organizations. These organizations are under the impression that Trump is with them. I mean his father was part of the KKK. 

I listed groups in another post.