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o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

If you want to know what true commuism mabye you should actually research it yourselve or actually take a political science course.

lol so you like all the other guys in here who talk about "real" communism(i've counted at least 3 of you) can't actually explain what it is? even though you seem fairly certain that its a thing?

 

doesn't the fact that you can't explain it or discuss it in any rational way kind of make it apparent to you that you just don't know what you are talking about? and perhaps you should take some time to analyse what these terms are actually referring to?

 

i'm not asking you to elaborate because i don't understand, i'm doing it because i know you can't elaborate and i'm waiting to see if you are going to be honest about that

For one none of the countries that where and are labeled as Communist ever achieved a classless society.  Even Lenin himself said that the Soviet Union never achieved true communism but only managed to achieve State Capitalism. 



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ratuscafoarterea said:
deskpro2k3 said:

There were lone gunmen, not part of BLM. And before you say anything else, that's how they're portrayed by the police and media, and by themselves.

The guy that killed the 5 Dallas cops was a BLM and Black Panther Party supporter.

 

No, he was not a BLM party member or part of any political group. On Facebook he did like the New Black Panther Party though.



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deskpro2k3 said:

I guess you missed the fact check I did earlier, or you're one of those that will down play facts. Since 2015, there have been 16 death cause by white supremacist, and 0 from antifa. I suggest you go take a look at that. You sound like a Nazi sympathizer.

So you're going to play the false dichotomy card now?

Also it seems that you ignored every god damn thing I said.

Good job then. You're the embodiment of everything that's wrong with the left right now. Which is also what the right is as equally as guilty of. You also have that bad mindset of most people. The mindset of NOT addressing a "minor" issue until it's fully blown up in your face.

Go talk to a wall buddy cause I know nothing sensible will come out from that rancid and detrimental thinking of yours. Maybe the wall can better relate to your way of thinking. Cheers.



Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

lol so you like all the other guys in here who talk about "real" communism(i've counted at least 3 of you) can't actually explain what it is? even though you seem fairly certain that its a thing?

 

doesn't the fact that you can't explain it or discuss it in any rational way kind of make it apparent to you that you just don't know what you are talking about? and perhaps you should take some time to analyse what these terms are actually referring to?

 

i'm not asking you to elaborate because i don't understand, i'm doing it because i know you can't elaborate and i'm waiting to see if you are going to be honest about that

For one none of the countries that where and are labeled as Communist ever achieved a classless society.  Even Lenin himselv said that the Soviet Union never achieved true communism but only managed to achieve State Capitalism. 

jesus fucking christ lol

 

ok ok lets go through this again how are you going to keep the people in a society limited to one class without some type of control or coersion to keep people in that class?

lets say we wipe out all society tomorrow and we start eveyone over from nothing... how do you stop the people who are naturally better at gathering resources from doing so and rising to the top rapidly?

does it not occur to you that for such a thing to happen then there needs to be some type of control mechanism in place? or in other words government?

 

i mean seriously do you people that believe in these things never actually sit down and think sensibly about what you are holding so tightly onto? its absolutely bizarre

 

anyway communism cannot practically be put into place unless their are two classes - a class that sets the rules and everyone else that follows those rules, to be frank it is stupid to say otherwise

 

to say otherwise completely disregards the inherent individuality of human beings which causes different people to have different strengths and weaknesses and as a result causes people to gather resources at different rates

 

to talk about a one class society with human beings is to compare us bees or locusts or ants or some other primitive hive mind driven low level organism, it does not take our complexity into account at all



A true Communist state is incompatible with a modern European society. Europeans lived under a Feudalist system up until the 1600s and under Capitalism for the last 400+ years. A fine example of true Communist systems that have existed: are primitive indigenous tribes that live off the land. For thousands of years: American, African, Asian, tribes have lived off the land and the men were hunters and the women were gatherers.



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iron_megalith said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I guess you missed the fact check I did earlier, or you're one of those that will down play facts. Since 2015, there have been 16 death cause by white supremacist, and 0 from antifa. I suggest you go take a look at that. You sound like a Nazi sympathizer.

So you're going to play the false dichotomy card now?

Also it seems that you ignored every god damn thing I said.

Good job then. You're the embodiment of everything that's wrong with the left right now. Which is also what the right is as equally as guilty of. You also have that bad mindset of most people. The mindset of NOT addressing a "minor" issue until it's fully blown up in your face.

Go talk to a wall buddy cause I know nothing sensible will come out from that rancid and detrimental thinking of yours. Maybe the wall can better relate to your way of thinking. Cheers.

 

I give you hard facts, and look at what I get in return.. You honestly think you can compare antifa, and the left wing, up against with KKK/Nazi? ok fine I'll take talking to a wall than talking to a nazi sympathizer anyways. cheers buddy.



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Well duh real communism can't really exist just like a real anarchy can't exists. As far as having no class the only country that was labeled by the West as Communist that came close to it was Maoist China but that was mostly due to the fact that China never had a ton of rich people before he gained power and the country was pretty much desimated by Japan during WW2 plus the fight with the Nationalists (the people that ended up fleeing to Taiwan) also caused a lot of destruction.  But that changed once they started opening up to the West and build up their manufacturing base. 



Soundwave said:

BLM is a movement spurred by the shooting/killing deaths of black Americans at the hands of police in cases were a gross over reach of force was applied.

One kid was shot walking down the street doing nothing. A guy selling CDs on a corner was choked to death by police officers even after saying "I can't breathe" several times ... again no threat to anyone. A guy just this past month was shot to death in his car while reaching for his gun registration. BLM is a movement aimed at that kind of violence visited on black people by police.

It's not a racial supremacy group, trying to paint the two as equals is not correct. It's a group that wants better treatment from police officers for black people. 

Neo-Nazis and the KKK are not asking for better treatment from black police officers, equating the two is silly.

lol The mass majority of the shootings you listed were justified. BLM doesn't actually care about black lives because it ignores everything that kills black people in numbers. The main thing that kills black people violently is other black people. That should be the focus of BLM since it's saving black lives. They are in th best position to make a difference in that regard and to help make their neighborhoods safe.

In actually, BLM grunts and protestors are using police shootings for a justification to riot, loot and destroy people's shit while the leadership of BLM and black activists with big voices are using the protestors to profit off of this sort of stuff. BLM may have started out geniune but it was perverted quickly.

If anymore black supremacists get into it and gain a voice, it will be no different than the KKK. 



Chris Hu said:

Well duh real communism can't really exist just like a real anarchy can't exists. As far as having no class the only country that was labeled by the West as Communist that came close to it was Maoist China but that was mostly due to the fact that China never had a ton of rich people before he gained power and the country was pretty much desimated by Japan during WW2 plus the fight with the Nationalists (the people that ended up fleeing to Taiwan) also caused a lot of destruction.  But that changed once they started opening up to the West and build up their manufacturing base. 

 

"Well duh real communism can't really exist"

why didn't you just say that to begin with?

 

"Maoist China but that was mostly due to the fact that China never had a ton of rich people before he gained power "

so your goal is to destroy the capacity for some people to work harder than other people and be rewarded for the fruits of their labour?

so are you then willing to sacrifice all of the technology and comforts you have become accustomed to in order to achieve that? and live in a primitive way similar to the animals around us?

btw in such a state there is obviously a far higher capacity for suffering, since technology aids humans in curing a lot of the harmful phenomena that we are exposed to in the natural world, sure there would be less potential for people to harm each other, but our environment then has a greater potential to harm us... but you guys don't seem to think about that

where do you really think the technology and medicine we use comes from?

one thing that i've noticed about the people that want so desperately to tear society down is that they seem to be oblivious to how much it shields them from harm they would otherwise be exposed to, the truth is that many of us would be dead already if we didn't benefit from the collective efforts of people who have worked hard and produced different forms of technology

 

and since you claim it wasn't a communist state what was the soviet union?



Soundwave you need to do some research and stop watching cnn. CNN is Garbage