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Do you use a VPN for your Internet use

Yes 30 42.86%
 
No 33 47.14%
 
What is a VPN? 7 10.00%
 
Total:70
malistix1985 said:
vivster said:

So VPN works sometimes when protecting criminals.... hooray? Doesn't really explain how YOU or the general internet user benefits from it.

Its very simple, people know what they do online and on their computer and if you are doing things you want to hide you need to hide it. Personally I have many reasons but when people where discussing downloading illigally its just a no brainer for me personally that if you do that a VPN has proven to be a good investment to people in the past.

But like I mentioned before some really cool benefits right here:

You can set your region using VPN getting cheaper offers online for CD-Keys (PC/STEAM). 
You can more easely set up games with friends by selecting a VPN in their country
You can unlocked content that is blocked in your country
You can download and share content more safely

and yes also if You want to protect your online data from government surveillance, ISPs, hackers, snoops, and spies.

I am not trying to sell people on VPN but I have always apriciated the service myself and I was wondering who else thinks so. Obviously if you are an average joe and just play games and don't use the computer much, it might not be worth it for everyone

All the things you said are either completely illegal or in a dark grey legal area. Your first paragraph alone sounds like an advertisement on how to do crime. But the most ergregious one is in bold. Because that is a lie told by VPN providers to make money. They're really the only ones profiting from this business. And of course you, when you do your crimes.

I'm not saying that everyone who uses TOR or VPNs is a criminal, even though you just admitted that to the world, all I'm saying is it's absolutely worthless for non criminal activities.

Malicious people will not go after your IP. They couldn't care less about that. Your information you spread on the internet is not stored in your IP. It's stored on web servers you have no control over. It's stored in your browser, your email address, your smartphone. Masking your IP is just a feeble attempt at most and a useless one at worst.

Another interesting tidbit is that you are making yourself a lot more vulnerable to attackers by using VPN. Because in VPN hosts thousands of connections are bundled together, making it a juicy target for government agencies, corporations and hackers.

Being a single individual on the internet is the most protection you can get and all that you need.



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vivster said:
malistix1985 said:

Its very simple, people know what they do online and on their computer and if you are doing things you want to hide you need to hide it. Personally I have many reasons but when people where discussing downloading illigally its just a no brainer for me personally that if you do that a VPN has proven to be a good investment to people in the past.

But like I mentioned before some really cool benefits right here:

You can set your region using VPN getting cheaper offers online for CD-Keys (PC/STEAM). 
You can more easely set up games with friends by selecting a VPN in their country
You can unlocked content that is blocked in your country
You can download and share content more safely

and yes also if You want to protect your online data from government surveillance, ISPs, hackers, snoops, and spies.

I am not trying to sell people on VPN but I have always apriciated the service myself and I was wondering who else thinks so. Obviously if you are an average joe and just play games and don't use the computer much, it might not be worth it for everyone

All the things you said are either completely illegal or in a dark grey legal area. Your first paragraph alone sounds like an advertisement on how to do crime. But the most ergregious one is in bold. Because that is a lie told by VPN providers to make money. They're really the only ones profiting from this business. And of course you, when you do your crimes.

I'm not saying that everyone who uses TOR or VPNs is a criminal, even though you just admitted that to the world, all I'm saying is it's absolutely worthless for non criminal activities.

Malicious people will not go after your IP. They couldn't care less about that. Your information you spread on the internet is not stored in your IP. It's stored on web servers you have no control over. It's stored in your browser, your email address, your smartphone. Masking your IP is just a feeble attempt at most and a useless one at worst.

Another interesting tidbit is that you are making yourself a lot more vulnerable to attackers by using VPN. Because in VPN hosts thousands of connections are bundled together, making it a juicy target for government agencies, corporations and hackers.

Being a single individual on the internet is the most protection you can get and all that you need.

What I said isn't illigal at all, one of my elder friends for excample is a writer of german litterature and he wants to protect the things he writes, shares etc. Things don't always have to be copyrighted to keep safe.

And being able to set your region to access certain content is just a big benefit, clearly you feel like since you are a single individual you are safe, personally I discuss things with colleges trough the internet and want things to be kept private mostly because of my job but the additional benefits I have gotten have deffenitely made it a worthwile investment.

Anyway I understand you don't feel like you need it, I don't know what you do on the internet, but I deffenitely understand where you are coming from




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vivster said:

All the things you said are either completely illegal or in a dark grey legal area. Your first paragraph alone sounds like an advertisement on how to do crime. But the most ergregious one is in bold. Because that is a lie told by VPN providers to make money. They're really the only ones profiting from this business. And of course you, when you do your crimes.

I'm not saying that everyone who uses TOR or VPNs is a criminal, even though you just admitted that to the world, all I'm saying is it's absolutely worthless for non criminal activities.

Malicious people will not go after your IP. They couldn't care less about that. Your information you spread on the internet is not stored in your IP. It's stored on web servers you have no control over. It's stored in your browser, your email address, your smartphone. Masking your IP is just a feeble attempt at most and a useless one at worst.

Another interesting tidbit is that you are making yourself a lot more vulnerable to attackers by using VPN. Because in VPN hosts thousands of connections are bundled together, making it a juicy target for government agencies, corporations and hackers.

Being a single individual on the internet is the most protection you can get and all that you need.

I fully agree with you. Yet also isn't the time of static user ips long gone? My isp regularly assigns a new ip address. I wouldn't even know what ip address to give out for someone to connect to. Ipconfig gives me 5 different ipv6 addresses, local ipv6 address, local ipv4 address. The modem has 2 different WAN IP addresses on a 7 day lease. Plus they have their own firewalls and even notified me once I had some malware causing suspicious internet access. Turned out to be some nasty worm on my old xp laptop. VPN would not have helped with that.

When I just got internet at home through isdn 20 years ago you still needed your own firewall. Always on internet was brand new, which attracted plenty wannabe hackers that regularly tried connecting to random people with port snoopers lacking anything better to do on a fledgling internet. You could see them logged on the firewall trying different ports. That wild west version of the internet has long since been tamed.

Using a vpn to play multiplayer games, doesn't that add extra lag? My work vpn had a 120ms to 150ms ping time from Europe to Canada. I couldn't imagine playing a game over that!



SvennoJ said:
vivster said:

All the things you said are either completely illegal or in a dark grey legal area. Your first paragraph alone sounds like an advertisement on how to do crime. But the most ergregious one is in bold. Because that is a lie told by VPN providers to make money. They're really the only ones profiting from this business. And of course you, when you do your crimes.

I'm not saying that everyone who uses TOR or VPNs is a criminal, even though you just admitted that to the world, all I'm saying is it's absolutely worthless for non criminal activities.

Malicious people will not go after your IP. They couldn't care less about that. Your information you spread on the internet is not stored in your IP. It's stored on web servers you have no control over. It's stored in your browser, your email address, your smartphone. Masking your IP is just a feeble attempt at most and a useless one at worst.

Another interesting tidbit is that you are making yourself a lot more vulnerable to attackers by using VPN. Because in VPN hosts thousands of connections are bundled together, making it a juicy target for government agencies, corporations and hackers.

Being a single individual on the internet is the most protection you can get and all that you need.

I fully agree with you. Yet also isn't the time of static user ips long gone? My isp regularly assigns a new ip address. I wouldn't even know what ip address to give out for someone to connect to. Ipconfig gives me 5 different ipv6 addresses, local ipv6 address, local ipv4 address. The modem has 2 different WAN IP addresses on a 7 day lease. Plus they have their own firewalls and even notified me once I had some malware causing suspicious internet access. Turned out to be some nasty worm on my old xp laptop. VPN would not have helped with that.

When I just got internet at home through isdn 20 years ago you still needed your own firewall. Always on internet was brand new, which attracted plenty wannabe hackers that regularly tried connecting to random people with port snoopers lacking anything better to do on a fledgling internet. You could see them logged on the firewall trying different ports. That wild west version of the internet has long since been tamed.

Using a vpn to play multiplayer games, doesn't that add extra lag? My work vpn had a 120ms to 150ms ping time from Europe to Canada. I couldn't imagine playing a game over that!

You have one actual IP adress, there is a pool that your router/whatever you have pulls an IP adress from but the IP Adress that actually sents the data trough the ISP is always the same.




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malistix1985 said:
Zkuq said:

Hiding something (e.g. piracy, your general browsing when using public WiFi) and getting around restrictions are the two only things that come to my mind when I try to think of good reasons to use VPN (for general use). For almost everything else, VPN offers pretty much no benefit. If you have a reliable VPN provider (i.e. a good paid one), it shouldn't hurt to use VPN for other stuff either, but if you're using a free VPN, you should only be using it when you really need it and disable at all other times.

Just to clarify it for others: If you think you're protecting your internet use by using a free VPN, you're probably just endangering it unless you're turning it on only when you really need it (e.g. to circumvent regional restrictions or hide piracy and then disable VPN when you're done). A VPN service costs money to run, and if you're not paying for the service with your money, you're paying for it in some other way. It could be ads, or it could be your data, but you're paying for it somehow.

FYI: I have been using ExpressVPN since 2010 and I use it because of the work I do on my computer mostly but I also use it to purchase products from different regions because they are cheaper that way and I use it to access other countries their digital stores and so forth.

Its also been very usefull to connect with friends from the US in certain games and get around limitations, all around its been usefull and yes obviously when you pirate series and other stuff its essential and I would personally never advice anyone to use a free one either, so good point by you.

But when you use a VPN either you have a bad provider which doesn't value your security *aka not paid scam* or you have a good one and if people want to know what you are doing they need to really really want to know to do the effort thus making most activities very safe and secure by having a good paid VPN provider.

Like I said, there are some valid use cases and good providers that should work even all the time. Still, a lot of people seem to have misconceptions about VPNs, and I'm just trying to make it clear that they're not automatically good and can indeed make the situation even worse. Most people want it free, and can end up worse because of that. You have to check if the VPN provider is good if you really want to improve your situation.



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vivster said:
malistix1985 said:

You can set your region using VPN getting cheaper offers online for CD-Keys (PC/STEAM).  (NOT ILLEGAL)
You can more easely set up games with friends by selecting a VPN in their country (NOT ILLEGAL)
You can unlocked content that is blocked in your country (NOT ILLEGAL - CIVIL VIOLATION)
You can download and share content more safely (NOT ILLEGAL)

All the things you said are either completely illegal or in a dark grey legal area. Your first paragraph alone sounds like an advertisement on how to do crime. But the most ergregious one is in bold. Because that is a lie told by VPN providers to make money. They're really the only ones profiting from this business. And of course you, when you do your crimes.

Nothing he mentioned as examples are illegal. 



Yes, just for errr something if you know what i mean.



Yea I use a VPN.



brb



QUAKECore89 said:
Yes, just for errr something if you know what i mean.

I still remember how shocked I was