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Forums - Sales Discussion - Nintendo VS Sony Fiscal Years: North America Edition

 

Who Will Win FY3/2018 in North America?

Nintendo 70 46.67%
 
Sony 61 40.67%
 
Microsoft (not that we'd know) 3 2.00%
 
See results 16 10.67%
 
Total:150
potato_hamster on 05 August 2017
StarDoor said:
Slarvax said:
Do you have data for other regions?

Yeah, I've been compiling the data for other regions all day. I'm almost finished with the global chart.

Unfortunately, there are two major problems with doing Japan and Europe:

Nintendo and Sony don't separate their shipment data using the same regions. Instead of "Europe," they have "Other" and "PAL regions" respectively. For Nintendo, this includes everywhere that isn't Japan or the Americas. For Sony, this includes Europe, Oceania, Africa, and South America. On top of that, Sony doesn't actually have a separate shipment tally for Japan, only all of Asia. So it would be Sony's Asia versus Nintendo's Japan.

Secondly, Sony stopped separating their sales by region in 2007, so all region-specific shipments afterward have to be imprecise estimates based on sell-through from VGChartz. This works well enough in the case of North American and Global shipments, but we run into problems everywhere else because of the whole "Other VS PAL" and "Japan VS Asia" issue. Since VGChartz doesn't have those breakdowns anywhere, I don't know what ratios to use in cases like "How much does Europe account for Nintendo's Other shipments?" or "How much does Japan account for Sony's Asian shipments?" I guess I can just compare lifetime shipments to VGChartz lifetime sales, but that gets iffy with consoles that are still selling, since there are still consoles on shelves and the regional ratios could still change.

Here's an idea that solves all your data problems... worldwide sales! I think someone suggested that already.



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Kerotan on 05 August 2017

Sony on a 3 year winning steak. Nice :)



StarDoor on 05 August 2017
potato_hamster said:
StarDoor said:

Yeah, I've been compiling the data for other regions all day. I'm almost finished with the global chart.

Unfortunately, there are two major problems with doing Japan and Europe:

Nintendo and Sony don't separate their shipment data using the same regions. Instead of "Europe," they have "Other" and "PAL regions" respectively. For Nintendo, this includes everywhere that isn't Japan or the Americas. For Sony, this includes Europe, Oceania, Africa, and South America. On top of that, Sony doesn't actually have a separate shipment tally for Japan, only all of Asia. So it would be Sony's Asia versus Nintendo's Japan.

Secondly, Sony stopped separating their sales by region in 2007, so all region-specific shipments afterward have to be imprecise estimates based on sell-through from VGChartz. This works well enough in the case of North American and Global shipments, but we run into problems everywhere else because of the whole "Other VS PAL" and "Japan VS Asia" issue. Since VGChartz doesn't have those breakdowns anywhere, I don't know what ratios to use in cases like "How much does Europe account for Nintendo's Other shipments?" or "How much does Japan account for Sony's Asian shipments?" I guess I can just compare lifetime shipments to VGChartz lifetime sales, but that gets iffy with consoles that are still selling, since there are still consoles on shelves and the regional ratios could still change.

Here's an idea that solves all your data problems... worldwide sales! I think someone suggested that already.

Dude. I literally just said I was doing that.



potato_hamster on 05 August 2017
StarDoor said:
potato_hamster said:

Here's an idea that solves all your data problems... worldwide sales! I think someone suggested that already.

Dude. I literally just said I was doing that.

Cool. I look forward to it.



StarDoor on 05 August 2017
potato_hamster said:
StarDoor said:

Dude. I literally just said I was doing that.

Cool. I look forward to it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=230847



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think-man on 05 August 2017

I don't think the handhelds and console should be combined. It paints a different picture, Nintendo handhelds vs Sony handhelds is always a victory for Nintendo. The consoles it's probably Sony ahead.



 

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StarDoor on 05 August 2017
think-man said:
I don't think the handhelds and console should be combined. It paints a different picture, Nintendo handhelds vs Sony handhelds is always a victory for Nintendo. The consoles it's probably Sony ahead.

Well, two things prompted me to make these comparisons.

First of all, there were a lot of people who were claiming that Nintendo is only ahead of Sony in total hardware shipments because they had a head start, and that Sony passing Nintendo in total hardware was likely in the future.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227364&page=1
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227371&page=1
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227775&page=1

The other thing was this exchange, where I said that North America was a Nintendo-plurality region, and Barkley disputed it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8515374

In hindsight, I was pretty close. Sony won 2002, but not 2001, and 1994 was worse for Nintendo than 2016, oddly enough. Also, I thought the NES sold a lot more than 1.81 million in FY8/1987. So 2016 was actually their second worst year since 1986.

EDIT: If we only compare home consoles, Nintendo wins 7 years out of 22. If we only compare handhelds, Nintendo has won every single year.



OTBWY on 05 August 2017
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
OTBWY said:

Well, half won all gens. Don't forget that they both competed in the handheld market, which Nintendo won. It's like winning land battles, but losing all naval battles hehehe.

sony didn't compete in handhelds in PS1 or most of PS2 years.  Also not now

Which means they didn't have a navy yet. They're literally Napoleon.

I'm not being serious lol.



Rem87919394 on 05 August 2017

Why do people combine handheld and consoles



Malt4zar on 05 August 2017

I don't get why some people need to come to threads like this just to complain about the addition of portable console sales.

Everyone have a different opinion about either it's valid to count them or not. There is not a correct answer here. If you disagree, just go and create a thread without them yourself. It's fine. 

Now, this data was very informative to me, thanks for giving yourself the trouble to gather them together Stardoor. :)