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Pemalite said:
fatslob-:O said:
Good enough for me since most poor people can't be trusted with investments or making money ...

Wealth is all relative.

We would look stupidly rich compared to someone in Africa living on less than a dollar a day, I probably look extremely wealthy next to some forum posters.

I think the important take away is that wealth doesn't equate to intelligence.
There are a ton of multi-billionaires who are wealthy due to circumstance rather than actually had made good investments or worked hard for it.

Yet a parent who is working on the (bullshit) $7 an hour minimum US wage and still manages to pay all their bills, feed their children... Are probably far more thrifty with money than someone born into privileged circumstance.

What Trump should do is appoint people based on merit, not on wealth. He should have drained the swamp, not filled it up twice as high with sharks.

Ignore him. You wasted your time. You'll get no meaningful conversation from him. I'd know, I used to act the same as him



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StarOcean said:
Pemalite said:

Wealth is all relative.

We would look stupidly rich compared to someone in Africa living on less than a dollar a day, I probably look extremely wealthy next to some forum posters.

I think the important take away is that wealth doesn't equate to intelligence.
There are a ton of multi-billionaires who are wealthy due to circumstance rather than actually had made good investments or worked hard for it.

Yet a parent who is working on the (bullshit) $7 an hour minimum US wage and still manages to pay all their bills, feed their children... Are probably far more thrifty with money than someone born into privileged circumstance.

What Trump should do is appoint people based on merit, not on wealth. He should have drained the swamp, not filled it up twice as high with sharks.

Ignore him. You wasted your time. You'll get no meaningful conversation from him. I'd know, I used to act the same as him

AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! You used to be like fatslob? I'm glad you changed.



Seems to me that he's saying that he wants people in the job who ain't in it for the pay that the job offers.

Not that it makes much sense, because their influence could lead to bigger enrichment.



VGPolyglot said:
StarOcean said:

Ignore him. You wasted your time. You'll get no meaningful conversation from him. I'd know, I used to act the same as him

AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! You used to be like fatslob? I'm glad you changed.

You saw some of the posts I made XD



StarOcean said:
VGPolyglot said:

AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! You used to be like fatslob? I'm glad you changed.

You saw some of the posts I made XD

I never really took them seriously, I mainly thought they were attempts to get a reaction out of the mod team. Fatslob's hardcore though, this isn't the purge thread so I can't say much, but he's said many things that have very much made me angry.



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StarOcean said:
Pemalite said:

Wealth is all relative.

We would look stupidly rich compared to someone in Africa living on less than a dollar a day, I probably look extremely wealthy next to some forum posters.

I think the important take away is that wealth doesn't equate to intelligence.
There are a ton of multi-billionaires who are wealthy due to circumstance rather than actually had made good investments or worked hard for it.

Yet a parent who is working on the (bullshit) $7 an hour minimum US wage and still manages to pay all their bills, feed their children... Are probably far more thrifty with money than someone born into privileged circumstance.

What Trump should do is appoint people based on merit, not on wealth. He should have drained the swamp, not filled it up twice as high with sharks.

Ignore him. You wasted your time. You'll get no meaningful conversation from him. I'd know, I used to act the same as him

I often get meaningul conversation out of him.

Just because I may not agree with allot of his perspectives, doesn't mean I should avoid coercing with him.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Slownenberg said:

Well thats just wrong. Trump having bankruptcies isn't at all the same logic that a poor can't handle money. Trump's only thing that even remotely qualified him for being president was that he is a successful businessman, but when that comes with several bankruptcies (not to mention his father constantly bailing him out with millions and Trumps standard crooked ways) it becomes MUCH less impressive. How is that the same logic that only rich people can run an economy?!?!?

Trump is being doucebag, as normal. Being personally rich has nothing to do with being able to run a trillion dollar economy. Having money doesn't mean a person has any skills or knowledge that are needed to run an economy.

I mean I don't think Trump is qualified and i'm not really defending him - but let's be real here, we're looking at this from a very theotretical level if we're saying it's not the same logic. Everyone in politics is rich, you'd have to screw things up majorly to be poor in which case you aren't entailed to lead the economy. Now if we live in a theoretical world where everyone gets the same chance no matter how rich they are in a political system - sure! You can absolutely be smart enough to run an economy and be poor. But it's just more of a risk or liability to bet it on someone who's not in good financial status in the real world at least. If we're talking theoretical worlds, then it's a whole other story. 

It sucks because I really do believe in the idea that people can do anything as long as they're qualified, but I think people would be weary to have a person in poor financial status lead an economy, just like people were rightfully worried about a President who's only qualification was buisnesss ventures that often failed, leading a country. Also, it's kind of assumed if you can lead an entire economy, that you can probably become rich no matter your upbringing.

Too be fair though, this guy says so many dumb stuff, and this clip is like 2 minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if it went past the clip. I'm just going off the video.

Not talking theoretically at all. I don't think anyone takes Trump's use of "poor" to be people who are actually legitimately poor. I mean a poor person would never have the opportunity to even be considered for a top government position. In the context he was using the word poor he obviously simply meant not rich. Because Trump has been rich since birth, so he considers anyone who doesn't have millions of dollars to be poor. Trump's "poor" person here could be a highly educated person who actually has the knowledge and experience to do the job, but oh they only make say $150k a year and aren't worth tens of millions so to Trump they are poor and Trump obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone unless they are rich so to him anyone who isn't rich has no worth, and therefore would not be worthy of a top government position, which is why he filled his cabinet with incompetant billionaires, because to him the only worth of a person is their net worth.

Obviously he's not gonna say all that. He's trying to defend his decisions of only hiring rich people, so he makes it out like the only other option would be to hire poor people, with no other options in between. You can also look at it as he was using the word poor to be extreme in order to try to convince people of his point but only offering a throw away option as the only alternative to his rich person idea, as in who would you rather have running the economy, someone who's dealt with a lot of money in their personal life because they are rich or a poor person who can't pay their bills.

If he was being realistic, he would have said who would you rather have running the economy, some know-nothing rich person who doesn't have a clue but has money so i picked them, or a highly educated and experienced person who is capable of the job, regardless of how much money they have because that has nothing to do with being able to run the economy. Then his "rich person" looks a lot shittier. But obviously he's gonna frame it in a way so that his stupid picks look better by offering up the only alternative as a poor person which as you pointed out, makes one think of not in good financial status.

To Trump money is the measure of a man's worth, nothing else. That is all his statement means. Which is why this statement caused an uproar. It was very obvious he was saying money, not merit, is what gets people positions in his adminisitration. But that was already clear if you look at his cabinet, he stocked it full of millionairies and billionaires that have no business running the country.



VGPolyglot said:
StarOcean said:

You saw some of the posts I made XD

I never really took them seriously, I mainly thought they were attempts to get a reaction out of the mod team. Fatslob's hardcore though, this isn't the purge thread so I can't say much, but he's said many things that have very much made me angry.

Well you're in on my conspiracy v.v XD but from an outside perspective I'd say some of the stuff I said would seem 10x's worse. Don't waste your energy being angry at him. There's many reasons not to. But we could PM for that



Pemalite said:
fatslob-:O said:
Good enough for me since most poor people can't be trusted with investments or making money ...

Wealth is all relative.

We would look stupidly rich compared to someone in Africa living on less than a dollar a day, I probably look extremely wealthy next to some forum posters.

I think the important take away is that wealth doesn't equate to intelligence.
There are a ton of multi-billionaires who are wealthy due to circumstance rather than actually had made good investments or worked hard for it.

Yet a parent who is working on the (bullshit) $7 an hour minimum US wage and still manages to pay all their bills, feed their children... Are probably far more thrifty with money than someone born into privileged circumstance.

What Trump should do is appoint people based on merit, not on wealth. He should have drained the swamp, not filled it up twice as high with sharks.

You probably aren't the best person to talk about how things should work in America either. Minimum wage is set by the state which is based and set by the economy for that state. Hardly any state has a $7 per hour minim wage.

 

Also, if someone is smart enough and finds themselves qualified enough to make major decisions for the rest of the country, you can bet your ass that they would not find themselves in the position of "I make $7 per hour and am a parent who survives" because that wouldn't really be possible here without government aid. That's definitely just not a survivable wage here or anywhere across the rest of the country. You're talking someone that works at McDonald's. Those are not the kind of people that can direct our economy, that's just the reality of the situation and your hypothetical scenario is completely moot here.

 

Should someone be judged solely based on merit or their career work? YES. Is that person gonna find themselves working at a gas station trying to feed a family? That's a really massive stretch. They will have put themselves through college/university to even be considered. I just don't see where someone capable of long reaching decisions that potentially influence other countries internal economic decisions would "settle" for a minimum wage job after they pushed themselves through Uni, nor can I imagine that it would be hard for this kind of person to be in high demand at least SOMEWHERE if they would really be qualified for economic reform.

Also if you show academic merit in the states you can pave your way to a free ride through school. In many cases and from that point the jobs start to find you rather than the other way around. Our system is designed to make it possible for smart, driven people to find a career, regardless of where they start from. So again your situation doesn't really make sense and is an extreme, incredibly unlikely scenario that's over dramatic so you can try and get your point across. But again, we have checks and balances in place that will let someone from a poor family advance through school or get a free ride to Uni if they're smart and driven, regardless of the family from which they are born.



Slownenberg said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I mean I don't think Trump is qualified and i'm not really defending him - but let's be real here, we're looking at this from a very theotretical level if we're saying it's not the same logic. Everyone in politics is rich, you'd have to screw things up majorly to be poor in which case you aren't entailed to lead the economy. Now if we live in a theoretical world where everyone gets the same chance no matter how rich they are in a political system - sure! You can absolutely be smart enough to run an economy and be poor. But it's just more of a risk or liability to bet it on someone who's not in good financial status in the real world at least. If we're talking theoretical worlds, then it's a whole other story. 

It sucks because I really do believe in the idea that people can do anything as long as they're qualified, but I think people would be weary to have a person in poor financial status lead an economy, just like people were rightfully worried about a President who's only qualification was buisnesss ventures that often failed, leading a country. Also, it's kind of assumed if you can lead an entire economy, that you can probably become rich no matter your upbringing.

Too be fair though, this guy says so many dumb stuff, and this clip is like 2 minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if it went past the clip. I'm just going off the video.

Not talking theoretically at all. I don't think anyone takes Trump's use of "poor" to be people who are actually legitimately poor. I mean a poor person would never have the opportunity to even be considered for a top government position. In the context he was using the word poor he obviously simply meant not rich. Because Trump has been rich since birth, so he considers anyone who doesn't have millions of dollars to be poor. Trump's "poor" person here could be a highly educated person who actually has the knowledge and experience to do the job, but oh they only make say $150k a year and aren't worth tens of millions so to Trump they are poor and Trump obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone unless they are rich so to him anyone who isn't rich has no worth, and therefore would not be worthy of a top government position, which is why he filled his cabinet with incompetant billionaires, because to him the only worth of a person is their net worth.

Obviously he's not gonna say all that. He's trying to defend his decisions of only hiring rich people, so he makes it out like the only other option would be to hire poor people, with no other options in between. You can also look at it as he was using the word poor to be extreme in order to try to convince people of his point but only offering a throw away option as the only alternative to his rich person idea, as in who would you rather have running the economy, someone who's dealt with a lot of money in their personal life because they are rich or a poor person who can't pay their bills.

If he was being realistic, he would have said who would you rather have running the economy, some know-nothing rich person who doesn't have a clue but has money so i picked them, or a highly educated and experienced person who is capable of the job, regardless of how much money they have because that has nothing to do with being able to run the economy. Then his "rich person" looks a lot shittier. But obviously he's gonna frame it in a way so that his stupid picks look better by offering up the only alternative as a poor person which as you pointed out, makes one think of not in good financial status.

To Trump money is the measure of a man's worth, nothing else. That is all his statement means. Which is why this statement caused an uproar. It was very obvious he was saying money, not merit, is what gets people positions in his adminisitration. But that was already clear if you look at his cabinet, he stocked it full of millionairies and billionaires that have no business running the country.

Shoot first ask questions later, amirite?