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Angelus said:
Quite interesting seeing the reactions of big time Star Trek fans. I'm only a very casual fan, in that I thought the 3 new movies were varying levels of decent. Never really bothered to go back and watch the old shows and movies. I wasn't aware all the new Star Trek material was so hated by the fans. My mom always told she was a huge Star Trek fan back in the day, and the the biggest punishment she used to get from her parents was not being allowed to watch the new episodes if she'd misbehaved.....anyway, she really enjoyed the new movies they made, so I guess I always just assumed they went over well with fans. Seeing the discussion here I'm suddenly thinking not so much lol

Anyway, @OP, I thought that trailer was a good deal better than the first, which had me dismissing the show entirely. This one had me like, ya ok....maybe I'll check out an episode or two when it releases, see if it's worth watching.

I wouldn't say the new material is hated. It's mostly just not loved; many feel it is too dumbed down and formulaic; all of them are basically the same plot structure. James Cameron's Avatar, for example, often got accused of rehashing the plot of Fern Gulley or Pocahontas: but Avatar has NOTHING on the commonality of rehashed storylines the recent Star Treks are guilty of; they're basically any number of dozens of car chase films, super hero films, or disaster films: A villain pops up, the villain does something terrible, the heroes have to do action stuff from stopping the villain of doing similar terrible things to their home, some crap will happen to split up the crew in some way; there'll be some over-dramatic BS that happens before the heroes unite for the final strike; but during the final strike the villain does something that makes it look like the heroes are about to lose, when suddenly the heroes win. There's not much depth to the recent Star Treks outside of that basic formulaic plot line, all the appeal is in dumbly looking at fancy CG.

Basically, Abrams made Mission Impossible deeper in both plot and scientific elements than Star Trek. I'll watch the films for entertainment, but they're the sort of films that a viewer won't be compelled to ever think of again after the viewing; except for Leonard Nimoy's cameo.



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Angelus said:
Quite interesting seeing the reactions of big time Star Trek fans. I'm only a very casual fan, in that I thought the 3 new movies were varying levels of decent. Never really bothered to go back and watch the old shows and movies. I wasn't aware all the new Star Trek material was so hated by the fans. My mom always told she was a huge Star Trek fan back in the day, and the the biggest punishment she used to get from her parents was not being allowed to watch the new episodes if she'd misbehaved.....anyway, she really enjoyed the new movies they made, so I guess I always just assumed they went over well with fans. Seeing the discussion here I'm suddenly thinking not so much lol

Anyway, @OP, I thought that trailer was a good deal better than the first, which had me dismissing the show entirely. This one had me like, ya ok....maybe I'll check out an episode or two when it releases, see if it's worth watching.

 

The last film was pretty good in my opinion, the only one in the Kelvin timeline that I like. The Prime timeline is where everyone is focused on, and STD is in the Prime timeline (main timeline), but the problem is everyone is so caught up on aesthetics. If only they knew about the augment klingon virus in 2154. anyways, true fans wont hate on this new series, they would connect the dots and see the reasoning why they're filling up plot holes from the past.



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shikamaru317 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

The last film was pretty good in my opinion, the only one in the Kelvin timeline that I like. The Prime timeline is where everyone is focused on, and STD is in the Prime timeline (main timeline), but the problem is everyone is so caught up on aesthetics. If only they knew about the augment klingon virus in 2154. anyways, true fans wont hate on this new series, they would connect the dots and see the reasoning why they're filling up plot holes from the past.

Not sure what you're getting at here, me and most of the other Trekkies hating on this show are well aware of the Klingon Aument Virus. Enterprise already filled in that plot hole and explained why the Klingons in TOS lacked Cranial Ridges.

Augment Virus Klingons look like this:

 

No, those would die afterwards from incompatible DNA resulted in neural system breakdown.

What I'm getting at is that STD Klingons is most likely the alienated religious type and did not recieve the vaccine for the virus. They somehow became compatible and mutated. I do not know for sure but that is my best guess as to why they look this way.



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SvennoJ said:
StarOcean said:
Only major issue is it suffers from the SW-Prequel tech issue. Where in the Prequels technology looks more advanced XD kt can sorta work in SW, but is weird for ST

Enterprise has a double episode in an alternate timeline where evil Archer gets his hands on a tos ship from the future. While I apreciate seeing the old ship again, them walking around on the ship in awe at it's amazing future design and tech (analog button panels!) simply doesn't work.

Why the constant need for prequels, there's more galaxy to explore, plus a couple other galaxies to go to...

They actually didn't all do that. They do comment on how a lot of the things look dumb.

Jumpin said:
Angelus said:
Quite interesting seeing the reactions of big time Star Trek fans. I'm only a very casual fan, in that I thought the 3 new movies were varying levels of decent. Never really bothered to go back and watch the old shows and movies. I wasn't aware all the new Star Trek material was so hated by the fans. My mom always told she was a huge Star Trek fan back in the day, and the the biggest punishment she used to get from her parents was not being allowed to watch the new episodes if she'd misbehaved.....anyway, she really enjoyed the new movies they made, so I guess I always just assumed they went over well with fans. Seeing the discussion here I'm suddenly thinking not so much lol

Anyway, @OP, I thought that trailer was a good deal better than the first, which had me dismissing the show entirely. This one had me like, ya ok....maybe I'll check out an episode or two when it releases, see if it's worth watching.

I wouldn't say the new material is hated. It's mostly just not loved; many feel it is too dumbed down and formulaic; all of them are basically the same plot structure.

09 and Beyond are fine with some dumbness here and there. Into Darkness is the one that is full on hated.



shikamaru317 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

No, those would die afterwards from incompatible DNA resulted in neural system breakdown.

The Augment Virus Klingons didn't die. Phlox managed to find a cure for the Augment Virus which saved them from death, but was unable to restore their physical appearance. The descendants of Klingons who were infected by the augment virus lacked cranial ridges until sometime between 2268 and 2293, when a way to restore their appearance was discovered.

Kang in 2268

Kang in 2293 

 

I edit my first post to late, but it explains why.



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Jumpin said:
StarOcean said:
Only major issue is it suffers from the SW-Prequel tech issue. Where in the Prequels technology looks more advanced XD kt can sorta work in SW, but is weird for ST

Yeah, the first three Star Wars prequels had that issue. But Rogue One seems like it nailed it correctly: Even though the special effects were a higher quality, they didn't make the weapons look higher tech.

 

And on another topic, to comment on the franchise as a whole:

TOS - first season was almost ALL great, I would argue the best season of Star Trek ever. But season 2 and 3 was mostly weaker in all regards: worse acting, storylines were cheesier more formulaic feeling, but there were a few gems. There were some EXCELLENT episodes in this first season, which in my opinion, makes it absolutely essential to any fan. If you watched Stargate, one of the best episodes "The Nox" is based on Errand of Mercy. City on the Edge of Forever is often cited as the best episode, and I don't quite know why, it would be my pick for maybe 10th or 11th, and not just to be contrary either: I don't want to say it's bad, it's not, it's great, but it means there's A LOT of underrated episodes - especially when Balance of Terror and Space Seed fill out the top 3. It's kind of like pro-wrestling in a way, where some people decide "these are the top guys" even though many of the rest are far superior in other elements, and are unfairly ignored.


TNG - I found no season as great as season 1 of TOS, but almost all seasons were solid, easily much better than 2 and 3. It is overall a very solid series, and I can see why it was the most popular of them all. There's not really much to say on this series, because I don't think anyone contends how great it is.

DS9 - was a mix of excellent episodes, but a whole lot of filler. The tail end of the series was horrendously bad, with Sisko being deus ex machina solution to everything, and one of the worst written war stories I have seen in a science fiction setting. It was like Babylon 5-lite, and without much in the way of science fiction stories. The worst part about it is that Ronald D. Moore, who did such an excellent job with season 1 & 2 of the BSG remake, was the head writer of that garbage. I'd say cherry pick episodes in this series, there's about 30 really good ones, usually the ones featuring Garek, Cardassians, and Quark. The Bajoran/religion, Dominion/shapeshifter, and mostly everything else (baseball, weird random aliens - done SO much worse than any other series, throwback stuff, etc...). There's some great episodes in DS9, probably more than other series; but it also has the largest number of bad episodes of the entire franchise... well, outside of season 2/3 of TOS.

VOY - 4 and 5 of Voyager were my favourite seasons of Star Trek outside of TOS. It was a return to a much more science fiction approach. The first few seasons felt a little drawn out similar to DS9's later seasons; I would guess there was a push for long multi-season story arcs, and while great in theory, seem to fail much more often than they succeed.  Not to mention the roles weren't very defined, the cast was more ensemble run. Then in the 4th season it began to get really good: The Doctor and Janeway became much bigger and better characters, and they added in 7 of 9 for a third - Tom Paris, Chakotay, Kim, and the others, took more of a back seat (ironically, their best episodes were in the later seasons) - although still got featured in a few episodes here and there. The episodes were largely a lot better from here forward, and season 4 and 5 were both excellent. This also coincided with the ending of DS9, so the staff moving over probably upped Voyager's quality. There were some interesting Asimovian stories in Voyager, the most popular one "Year from Hell" based on Asimov's the End of Eternity. While the first 3 seasons of Voyager were weak in concept, the second season actually had a lot of great stuff... but then it also had the infamous episode: Threshold, which is entertaining simply because of how bad it is.

ENT - I have not seen it, ever. Despite the fact that it has Scott Bakula as Captain Sterling Archer.

Great post. There's so much star trek there's always a fun episode to watch again. Almost all episodes with Q were awesome in TNG, I miss that kind of banter from the other series. Voyager felt like true star trek again, exploration with added survival. I always used to dislike the transport the diplomat episodes, Voyager is free of those :) I'm a bit more receptive to them now, but it still doesn't feel like to boldly go where no man has gone before. And STD sounds more like to stubbornly stay where we've all been before. Time travel/loops/anomalies are my favorite, next to holodeck (mis)adventures and exploring sentient AI. With STD the last 2 are out again :(

I recently finished watching Enterprise. It starts slow but it's definitely worth your time. I like it despite Scott Bakula, imo he's the weakest of the cast. I simply cannot unsee Dr. Sam Backet. Bring back Quantum leap! There's a lot of rehashed story lines in Enterprise but also plenty good stuff. It's like tos in that the captain gets to settle disputes by fist fight :/ It's like Voyager when they're stuck in the expanse in season 3. It tries to be everything in season 4. Season 2 is my favorite, keeps getting better as the season progresses. The temporal war was a nice development, too bad it fizzled out with nazis start of season 4.

I wonder if I'll lose interest in DS9 again which I'm watching now. At least with Netflix it's easy to skip to next episode if it gets too boring.



shikamaru317 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

The last film was pretty good in my opinion, the only one in the Kelvin timeline that I like. The Prime timeline is where everyone is focused on, and STD is in the Prime timeline (main timeline), but the problem is everyone is so caught up on aesthetics. If only they knew about the augment klingon virus in 2154. anyways, true fans wont hate on this new series, they would connect the dots and see the reasoning why they're filling up plot holes from the past.

Not sure what you're getting at here, me and most of the other Trekkies hating on this show are well aware of the Klingon Augment Virus. Enterprise already filled in that plot hole and explained why the Klingons in TOS lacked Cranial Ridges.

Augment Virus Klingons look like this:

Not Like this:

Yup true fans who actually know their ST history know why STD is messing up the timline. I been a loyal ST fan for 30+ years. In High School when i was in Football I kept a small model of a Nebula class ship in my sock as a good luck charm. I still have it. I like the JJ films even tho they are not real Trek. I even own STV as awful of a film that is. Thing is with all of them even Nemesis the DNA of trek is there. STD as a prequel. No problem. 10 years only? That doesn't line up with Trek lore. 20 years would have made sense not 10. At this point when STD is set we are in the Captain Pike era in command of the Enterprise. Starfleet uniforms all all the same aside fromt he Delta which at this point is Enterprise only. We know what the earliest Klingons looked like thanks to TNG,DS9 and Voyager. Which showed Kayless and the very first Klingons. As you posted we know why they don't have ridges. Even if this is a group of ancient Klingons..their weapons..egg shaped back of their heads. None of it lines up.

 

WTF with wrong with the back of their heads!?

Lastly I will mention My brother works for CBS and likely has taken all the pictures we have seen and he knows how big a ST fan I am. He knows I hate where STD is going.



First time I saw anything relating to it. So, I gather from the trailer, that this show has absolutely no link to any of the other ST shows/movies, and is a whole new beginning for the franchise. It looks good and all, but I'll probably pass.



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COKTOE said:
First time I saw anything relating to it. So, I gather from the trailer, that this show has absolutely no link to any of the other ST shows/movies, and is a whole new beginning for the franchise. It looks good and all, but I'll probably pass.

No it does. It's supposed to be a prequel to TOS.



SegataSanshiro said:
COKTOE said:
First time I saw anything relating to it. So, I gather from the trailer, that this show has absolutely no link to any of the other ST shows/movies, and is a whole new beginning for the franchise. It looks good and all, but I'll probably pass.

No it does. It's supposed to be a prequel to TOS.

Ah, OK. Thanks for the info.



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