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Can a Republican explain to me how getting rid of the mandate will improve anything in the healthcare system?



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sethnintendo said:
Can a Republican explain to me how getting rid of the mandate will improve anything in the healthcare system?

I am not a Republican, but the mandate is extremely unpopular. It punishes the poor. My mother who never voted, but always supports Democrats, was excited that Trump won because she'd be able to keep $560 (2%) of her income when she filed her income taxes. 

The problem with the individual mandate is that it is not high enough to convince people to buy health-insurance who can't afford it, but high enough to hurt those very people it is attempting to help; when all you make is $28,000/year -- $560 is a lot of money.




sc94597 said:
sethnintendo said:
Can a Republican explain to me how getting rid of the mandate will improve anything in the healthcare system?

I am not a Republican, but the mandate is extremely unpopular. It punishes the poor. My mother who never voted, but always supports Democrats, was excited that Trump won because she'd be able to keep $560 (2%) of her income when she filed her income taxes. 

The problem with the individual mandate is that it is not high enough to convince people to buy health-insurance who can't afford it, but high enough to hurt those very people it is attempting to help; when all you make is $28,000/year -- $560 is a lot of money.


Yes but what happens when you get rid of the mandate?  A lot of young healthy people will just choose not to get covered under an employer health plan or buy insurance on the markets.  So you are left with a bunch of sick people which only leads to increase cost of insurance.  I don't give a shit if its popular or not but with our shitty ass system right now its the only way to prop it up.  Once the healthy people drop out then you can kiss your pocket book goodbye for any basic service.  Look I don't even need insurance expect if somehow I'm involved in some severe traffic accident.  I don't go to the doctors, I don't take pills, I don't use it period.  I keep it though because even with the high deductible (2,500) it sure beats looking at what kind of bill the hospital will try to ass rape you if god forbid you actually got really hurt or came down with something bad.  Under my employer the cost is about 80 or so a month with them supposedly footing 400-500 of the bill (which I think they overestimate and if not then that just shows you how shitty our healthcare system really is).

Good luck keeping your 2% of your income when faced with huge ass bill from hospital.  You better hope they write that bill off.  Did you not see one of my previous posts?  A hospital expected me to pay 20,000 for one night stay, pain killers, and semi being checked on in the night.  It was only by luck that I wasn't stuck with such a shitty bill.



Skinny repeal has failed with McCain voting no in Senate. Goodbye healthcare "reform" Republicans. Time to pick a new topic to try and push through. They probably should focus on infrastructure bill going through. You know something that might actually get some Democrats to vote for it.

I had a fucking blast watching this lame attempt to push something through. Turns out Republicans have just been screaming repeal, repeal the past years that they forgot they actually had to come up with a plan. Great times. Glad to see such awesome leadership among our politicians. 

On a side note.  I'd like to see Trump veto the Russia, N. Korea, and Iran sanctions bill only for Congress to override him. 



One thing which I must commend Drumpf for unintentionally doing is exposing the hypocrisy within the Republican leadership. He is exposing them all as not having actual morals who will sacrifice a lot for their power and position. Just look at Sean Spicer The Mooch John McCain Jeff Sessions among many many others even American Generals. We also find out about people who have actual morals like James Comet cause they get fires for bullshit reasons. Now we just need a Drumpf for Liberals cause we all know they are hypocrites as well and I would love for the world to see the hypocrisy of American politics. Here in my part of the world they used to think American ploticians were some high moraled intelligent people but the popularity of Drumpf as a joker is exposing to the world that American politicians are dumb corrupt basitches that like war



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sethnintendo said:

Skinny repeal has failed with McCain voting no in Senate. Goodbye healthcare "reform" Republicans. Time to pick a new topic to try and push through. They probably should focus on infrastructure bill going through. You know something that might actually get some Democrats to vote for it.

I had a fucking blast watching this lame attempt to push something through. Turns out Republicans have just been screaming repeal, repeal the past years that they forgot they actually had to come up with a plan. Great times. Glad to see such awesome leadership among our politicians. 

On a side note.  I'd like to see Trump veto the Russian, N. Korea, and Iran sanctions bill only for Congress to override him. 

But the Iran sanctions are BS and didn't Obama already come to terms with Iran and Drumpf is continuing that. Other than that I would love to see Drumpf try to veto Russians sanctions but even Drumpf is not chummy with N.korea



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Eagle367 said:
sethnintendo said:

Skinny repeal has failed with McCain voting no in Senate. Goodbye healthcare "reform" Republicans. Time to pick a new topic to try and push through. They probably should focus on infrastructure bill going through. You know something that might actually get some Democrats to vote for it.

I had a fucking blast watching this lame attempt to push something through. Turns out Republicans have just been screaming repeal, repeal the past years that they forgot they actually had to come up with a plan. Great times. Glad to see such awesome leadership among our politicians. 

On a side note.  I'd like to see Trump veto the Russian, N. Korea, and Iran sanctions bill only for Congress to override him. 

But the Iran sanctions are BS and didn't Obama already come to terms with Iran and Drumpf is continuing that. Other than that I would love to see Drumpf try to veto Russians sanctions but even Drumpf is not chummy with N.korea

If you know USA then those are the three nations that somehow we will keep trying to vilify.  Are they perfect or even remotely near that?  No but they are easy cannon fodder for us.  I don't like any of those countries personally but I'm sure I could get along with most their citizens if we sat down and had an actual decent conversation.  I actually talk to a cool Iranian that is a coworker and we agree on many things.  Sad part is that most if not all citizens are just pawns in all this. 

Iran keeps fucking with our military just like we keep fucking with them.



sc94597 said:
barneystinson69 said:

If there is one thing I have to say, universal health care is the best option 

"Universal health care" isn't an "option", but an end. It literally means everybody in the country has access to healthcare. The way Switzerland achieves it (not-for-profit insurance companies in a competive market for basic services, and for-profit for extra services) is very different from how Britain achieves it (government owned hospitals.) 

So the question that many proponents of "universal healthcare" need to answer is, which one will work the best in The United States of America? That is much harder to answer, and is why the last time Democrats had control of the country we ended up with the Affordable Care Act, a hodgepodge of nothing but subsidies for corporate welfare-queens. 

Personally, I don't think health-care companies and employers should be getting subsidies in the first place. Nor should the FDA continue to inflate the costs of drugs and medical technology in this country via overregulation. 

No matter what system we have in the United States, costs will remain higher than in other countries, because Americans have trouble not purchasing end-of-life care, luxury care,  and many other quality of life/non-life extending treatments. Even with a single-payer system, Americans would demand this politically and therefore the cost-savings due to rationing would not be realized. However, there are plenty of distortions that can be fixed within the current system by taking out the actions which persuade bad incentives. 



Excuse my ignorance, but isn't the core problem that the healthcare is a business in the first place in the US? They make money with the lifes of people and try to get rich in the process.

 

From what I see is that everything related to health is extraordinary expensive. Before the ACA if you got medical treatment you've ended in such debts that you could'nt pay them off with you avarage joe job. A bullet to the head would be the fastest way to enjoy "life".

Correct me if I am wrong, but I guess it was way worse than it is now. 



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Peh said:

Excuse my ignorance, but isn't the core problem that the healthcare is a business in the first place in the US? They make money with the lifes of people and try to get rich in the process.

 

From what I see is that everything related to health is extraordinary expensive. Before the ACA if you got medical treatment you've ended in such debts that you could'nt pay them off with you avarage joe job. A bullet to the head would be the fastest way to enjoy "life".

Correct me if I am wrong, but I guess it was way worse than it is now. 

It's been bad for a long time.  Pretty much our healthcare system is fucked.  That is what you get when you make a profit off people's health. 



sethnintendo said:

Yes but what happens when you get rid of the mandate?  A lot of young healthy people will just choose not to get covered under an employer health plan or buy insurance on the markets.  So you are left with a bunch of sick people which only leads to increase cost of insurance.  I don't give a shit if its popular or not but with our shitty ass system right now its the only way to prop it up.  Once the healthy people drop out then you can kiss your pocket book goodbye for any basic service.  Look I don't even need insurance expect if somehow I'm involved in some severe traffic accident.  I don't go to the doctors, I don't take pills, I don't use it period.  I keep it though because even with the high deductible (2,500) it sure beats looking at what kind of bill the hospital will try to ass rape you if god forbid you actually got really hurt or came down with something bad.  Under my employer the cost is about 80 or so a month with them supposedly footing 400-500 of the bill (which I think they overestimate and if not then that just shows you how shitty our healthcare system really is).

Good luck keeping your 2% of your income when faced with huge ass bill from hospital.  You better hope they write that bill off.  Did you not see one of my previous posts?  A hospital expected me to pay 20,000 for one night stay, pain killers, and semi being checked on in the night.  It was only by luck that I wasn't stuck with such a shitty bill.

The young people never signed up to start with though. They either got medicaid or stayed on their parents plans (remember it extended that until they were 26 years old.) About half the people who got healthcare did so under medicaid expansion, and a majority of the other half had pre-existing conditions. The individual mandate is not working as it is. The only options are to make the penalties stricter, which is poltiical suicide, or to repeal it. 

The sticker prices are just that by the way. It is the first price meant to be negotiated down. Yes, it sucks to have to do that, but most people who don't have insurance are able to get away with it. In fact, there are many programs where the state will pay for emergency care. The few who do pay out of pocket are not lower-middle class/poor.