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SpokenTruth said:
Trump just launched his own propaganda news outlet on Facebook to be hosted by his daughter-in-law.
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/344902-trumps-daughter-in-law-hosts-real-news-program-on-his-facebook-page

You believe this is unique to our current President? If so you haven't been following anything for any legitmate amount of time. 



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sethnintendo said:
Cubedramirez said:

You're arguing absolutes here. Obviously schools like anything else are dependent on the quality of the school. All my children go to a charter school. Now you're also saying the money is going to usually christan schools however unless you have actual data showing that it's not worth even arguing, it's a failed and grossly incorrect talking point arguement. You also seem to believe poor districts are being neglected, how did you come believe this? Are areas with low income people, mostly urban areas, being short changed by funding? Please provide those figures because, speaking about my locality, the urban areas with incomes lower than the median avg have school systems with funding of upwards of thirteen thousand per child. In comparison city spends just over nine thousand per student and the results are considerabily better than the urban area who enjoys almost 30% more funding. 

But don't get me wrong. I like your idea of refusing to give choice in education to the parents and continue to throw money away at public schools which won't produce results. I just like your idea to stay the hell away from my family. 


I just don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools.  Fact is a lot of private schools are religious based.

http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

"There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation's schools and enroll 10 percent of all PK-12 students.

Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools (see table 2 of the PSS Report). And most private schools are small: 87 percent have fewer than 300 students (see table 1 of the PSS Report)."

 

I believe in seperation of church and state.  If you want to pay more money to send your kid to some religious private school then do it but don't do it on the back of tax payers money.  I don't even want to see a dime go to private schools.  They either can maintain themselves or they can go out of business.  Free market right?

You don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools yet exactly how much is going to those schools? Are you counting vouchers which give parents the choice where to send their children? Are you counting tax credits parents receive for education expenses? Where is the foundation of your position coming from? And who are you to say where local tax dollars go towards? If a community decides to fund a charter school system (private schools get little to no tax money less they completely adhere to the guidelines by the DOE) because the public option is garbage why is that something you'd be against?

You trot out the whole church and state argument, which is funny because without Google assisting you please tell me where that phrase is in any original document, however you either forgot to add schools of non-Christian faith or decided abstaining those would further your insinuated argument that somehow proponents of private schools are working with the government to promote Christianity as a state religion. You mentioned free market however there cannot exist a free market if the public schools have their funding through force (tax) while private schools have to compete to obtain their funding, by default the exact opposite of a free market solution. 

It's also quite telling that people against the voucher system are almost always middle class white people and those who benefit most from voucher systems are lower income blacks in urban areas. I won't go down the whole stubble racism road people often do however I truly wonder why anyone could take such a position considering those who benefit are having a shot at an education they otherwise could not achieve. One of the major reasons I absolutely hated Obama, when he came into office he ended the D.C. voucher program. It was an inexcusable crime against the children who benefited from the program and those who never had the opportunity following his decision. 



teamsilent13 said:

That would not be a free market. That would be a socialist or crony keynsian market where the government sponsored school system gets the advantage over the religious and/or private schools. A free market would have extreemely low taxes or none at all into the school system and the ability to choose where to put your money into any school system you want. America already pays an insane amount into the public school system and it's a failure. I wish I grew up in an area with a good charter school. I would have been a lot better off honestly. I was in my public school's gifted program, too which was literally a liberal indoctrination clinic. It would have been better to keep the old way of just moving me ahead a grade or two.

There's already a solution to schools (whether public or private) but it what I'd suggest would be too outrageous and progressive by most people ... 

Since we seem to be the laughing stock of the entire global community in education here's my proposal ... 

Cut every subject that's not a part of Math, English, Physical and Life Sciences ... (Does the majority of our high tech world need to know humanities or the social sciences ?)

Make extracurricular's self funded including gyms or outside sport's fields ... (Never understood the mentality of after school activities or physical education in purely academic enviroments.)

Decommission libraries or not build libraries anymore since the digital age allows us to access more information than ever ... (I almost never needed to go to libraries with a great invention such as the internet.)

Make online courses more available ... (This should be the norm since extra room space isn't needed thus making education cheaper in the end.)

Offer more university level courses ... (Potentially more usefully educated workforce and lower failure rate when graduating from university.) 

Cut elementary school altogether (K-6) ... (At this point I'm almost convinced those types of institutions are nothing more than expensive child day care centres when most people could learn what they need in 6 years with less school hours to boot.) 

This is a win-win situation all around since education is more accessible, cheaper, rigorous, teachers could get paid more and we get to increase PISA scores too!



sethnintendo said:
Eagle367 said:

But the Iran sanctions are BS and didn't Obama already come to terms with Iran and Drumpf is continuing that. Other than that I would love to see Drumpf try to veto Russians sanctions but even Drumpf is not chummy with N.korea

If you know USA then those are the three nations that somehow we will keep trying to vilify.  Are they perfect or even remotely near that?  No but they are easy cannon fodder for us.  I don't like any of those countries personally but I'm sure I could get along with most their citizens if we sat down and had an actual decent conversation.  I actually talk to a cool Iranian that is a coworker and we agree on many things.  Sad part is that most if not all citizens are just pawns in all this. 

Iran keeps fucking with our military just like we keep fucking with them.

It's all bs



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

So Republicans last attempt before it goes from 50 to 60 votes on repealing ACA has met an end with a few republicans such as McCain going against this rushed "bill" that hasn't even been looked at by the budget office.


Watching republicans trying to govern is fucking hilarious.



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sethnintendo said:

So Republicans last attempt before it goes from 50 to 60 votes on repealing ACA has met an end with a few republicans such as McCain going against this rushed "bill" that hasn't even been looked at by the budget office.


Watching republicans trying to govern is fucking hilarious.

The funny thing is that this is no longer Trump's monster. This is McConnell's monster, instead of doing something productive and reforming the utterly byzantine tax code the United States has, he willingly pushes through with bills that have a near-zero chance of success in the current senate. Pushing a replacement to the ACA should be a much easier task if (R)s are able to expand their majority in 2018.

The fact that Trump had to go negotiate with (D)s on the budget (and conceding ground on issues like border security in exchange for stability in the upcoming fiscal year) is also reflective of the impotence (or unwillingness) of McConnell as a Senate Majority Leader.

But, why should he care when he can just go blame Trump for his own incompetence, and people will applaud him for it?



 
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TheWPCTraveler said:
sethnintendo said:

So Republicans last attempt before it goes from 50 to 60 votes on repealing ACA has met an end with a few republicans such as McCain going against this rushed "bill" that hasn't even been looked at by the budget office.


Watching republicans trying to govern is fucking hilarious.

The funny thing is that this is no longer Trump's monster. This is McConnell's monster, instead of doing something productive and reforming the utterly byzantine tax code the United States has, he willingly pushes through with bills that have a near-zero chance of success in the current senate. Pushing a replacement to the ACA should be a much easier task if (R)s are able to expand their majority in 2018.

The fact that Trump had to go negotiate with (D)s on the budget (and conceding ground on issues like border security in exchange for stability in the upcoming fiscal year) is also reflective of the impotence (or unwillingness) of McConnell as a Senate Majority Leader.

But, why should he care when he can just go blame Trump for his own incompetence, and people will applaud him for it?

If Trump hasn't enough power to solve any of this can't we just impeach him? It's not like he can do anything anyway with McConnell in such a strong position. That way we can at least appease more than 50% of voters in the country.



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vivster said:
TheWPCTraveler said:

The funny thing is that this is no longer Trump's monster. This is McConnell's monster, instead of doing something productive and reforming the utterly byzantine tax code the United States has, he willingly pushes through with bills that have a near-zero chance of success in the current senate. Pushing a replacement to the ACA should be a much easier task if (R)s are able to expand their majority in 2018.

The fact that Trump had to go negotiate with (D)s on the budget (and conceding ground on issues like border security in exchange for stability in the upcoming fiscal year) is also reflective of the impotence (or unwillingness) of McConnell as a Senate Majority Leader.

But, why should he care when he can just go blame Trump for his own incompetence, and people will applaud him for it?

If Trump hasn't enough power to solve any of this can't we just impeach him? It's not like he can do anything anyway with McConnell in such a strong position. That way we can at least appease more than 50% of voters in the country.

I'd say that McConnell would've had a proper justificarion for this had Trump refused to sign the Russia Sanctions bill.

iirc He needs both houses of congress to impeach Trump, and while I know that McConnell and Ryan can both secure that sort of support (added to the Democrats', of course), next year happens to be an election year. There are some people who don't want to be primaried out of their seats.



 
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TheWPCTraveler said:
vivster said:

If Trump hasn't enough power to solve any of this can't we just impeach him? It's not like he can do anything anyway with McConnell in such a strong position. That way we can at least appease more than 50% of voters in the country.

I'd say that McConnell would've had a proper justificarion for this had Trump refused to sign the Russia Sanctions bill.

iirc He needs both houses of congress to impeach Trump, and while I know that McConnell and Ryan can both secure that sort of support (added to the Democrats', of course), next year happens to be an election year. There are some people who don't want to be primaried out of their seats.

He signed it.  That would be a death wish if he vetoed it.  There is already Russian collusion allegiations so of course he signed it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/europe/trump-russia-sanctions.html

And there is an obvious reason he signed it.  He would have been overwritten on his veto.



If anything they fixed Obama's mess concerning the Title IX guidelines?