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Cubedramirez on 02 August 2017
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sethnintendo said:
Cubedramirez said:

You're arguing absolutes here. Obviously schools like anything else are dependent on the quality of the school. All my children go to a charter school. Now you're also saying the money is going to usually christan schools however unless you have actual data showing that it's not worth even arguing, it's a failed and grossly incorrect talking point arguement. You also seem to believe poor districts are being neglected, how did you come believe this? Are areas with low income people, mostly urban areas, being short changed by funding? Please provide those figures because, speaking about my locality, the urban areas with incomes lower than the median avg have school systems with funding of upwards of thirteen thousand per child. In comparison city spends just over nine thousand per student and the results are considerabily better than the urban area who enjoys almost 30% more funding. 

But don't get me wrong. I like your idea of refusing to give choice in education to the parents and continue to throw money away at public schools which won't produce results. I just like your idea to stay the hell away from my family. 

I just don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools.  Fact is a lot of private schools are religious based.

http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

"There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation's schools and enroll 10 percent of all PK-12 students.

Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools (see table 2 of the PSS Report). And most private schools are small: 87 percent have fewer than 300 students (see table 1 of the PSS Report)."

 

I believe in seperation of church and state.  If you want to pay more money to send your kid to some religious private school then do it but don't do it on the back of tax payers money.  I don't even want to see a dime go to private schools.  They either can maintain themselves or they can go out of business.  Free market right?

You don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools yet exactly how much is going to those schools? Are you counting vouchers which give parents the choice where to send their children? Are you counting tax credits parents receive for education expenses? Where is the foundation of your position coming from? And who are you to say where local tax dollars go towards? If a community decides to fund a charter school system (private schools get little to no tax money less they completely adhere to the guidelines by the DOE) because the public option is garbage why is that something you'd be against?

You trot out the whole church and state argument, which is funny because without Google assisting you please tell me where that phrase is in any original document, however you either forgot to add schools of non-Christian faith or decided abstaining those would further your insinuated argument that somehow proponents of private schools are working with the government to promote Christianity as a state religion. You mentioned free market however there cannot exist a free market if the public schools have their funding through force (tax) while private schools have to compete to obtain their funding, by default the exact opposite of a free market solution. 

It's also quite telling that people against the voucher system are almost always middle class white people and those who benefit most from voucher systems are lower income blacks in urban areas. I won't go down the whole stubble racism road people often do however I truly wonder why anyone could take such a position considering those who benefit are having a shot at an education they otherwise could not achieve. One of the major reasons I absolutely hated Obama, when he came into office he ended the D.C. voucher program. It was an inexcusable crime against the children who benefited from the program and those who never had the opportunity following his decision.