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Tulipanzo said:
I find the fact that this thread on low XBox sales has moved to discussing Sony and Nintendo's games very telling

It's lacking the sales pusher that their competition excels at.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Aeolus451 said:

It's not very arguable at all. Nintendo's first party is tailored towards a niche part of the market and they absolutely love those games but the rest of the market does not.  I'm sure there's some game lists with metacore averages floating around here if you feel like saying otherwise.

A niche part of the market? Their exclusives sell better than any other exclusives out there....

 

Something being niche doesn't mean it's not arguable whether it's better or not. I guess you might as well through out any niche PS4 exclusives cause who gives a fuck amirite?

The individual games sell better because there's relatively no third party games as competition and those games are tailored made for those fans. Those fans bought the console for those games.

When a console has a lot of games, the sales are spread out over all those games instead of being concentrated sales on fewer games. 

         Software sales (in millions) on platform                                   http://www.vgchartz.com/platforms/    

                                               Hardware      Software           Tie ratio         Games total

3 PlayStation 3 (PS3) 86.86         974.12           11.21          3,315

4 Wii (Wii)                 101.18         965.78            9.55           2,808

Likely, the wii likely has games with higher individual game sales that the PS3 does because it has less games but with the similar software sales. 

Also, don't get triggered from the word niche. Nothing wrong with games or genres being niche.



Aeolus451 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

A niche part of the market? Their exclusives sell better than any other exclusives out there....

 

Something being niche doesn't mean it's not arguable whether it's better or not. I guess you might as well through out any niche PS4 exclusives cause who gives a fuck amirite?

The individual games sell better because there's relatively no third party games as competition and those games are tailored made for those fans. Those fans bought the console for those games.

When a console has a lot of games, the sales are spread out over all those games instead of being concentrated sales on fewer games. 

         Software sales (in millions) on platform                                   http://www.vgchartz.com/platforms/    

                                               Hardware      Software           Tie ratio         Games total

3 PlayStation 3 (PS3) 86.86         974.12           11.21          3,315

4 Wii (Wii)                 101.18         965.78            9.55           2,808

Likely, the wii likely has games with higher individual game sales that the PS3 does because it has less games but with the similar software sales. 

Also, don't get triggered from the word niche. Nothing wrong with games or genres being niche.

Triggered? I'm not "triggered"; i'd simply expect someone to understand what "arguable" and "niche" means before commenting with them. 

 

Your point is incredibly bad and I can not agree with it. In part because most Nintendo franchises don't have direct competitors even on other platforms(What competes with Zelda on a serioius triple A level? Horizon???) but also because you're acting like people buy Nintendo consoles, go "wut do i does with dis hunk of plastic", and then just randomly buy Nintendo games because that's all there is. That's incredibly backwards logic. People buy Nintendo consoles *for* their games(which you mentioned but didn't seem to understand). And while I do think that more games would be bought on Wii if it was a more 3rd party oriented console, I don't think more games would directly lead to a sales decline because there aren't 3D Platformers with the marketing or praise of Mario, there aren't Kart racers as popular as Mario Kart, etc. 

In essence , if Nintendo had more third parties, what would *more likely happen* is that there would be an increase in sales for all games. Nintendo's exclusives would still be bought because they're unique. Mario Kart doesn't get sales because of a lack of competition - it's because it's Mario Kart. Super Smash Brothers had competition once and look how that turned out. And that competition was an exclusive too with no direct competition on it's platform.

Sony exclusives don't get less sales because there's more competition. It's because they just aren't as bought. So how could you say that Nintendo's games are niche and not Sony's? I can understand saying Star Fox or Metroid is niche(even that's a bit overboard though) but most Nintendo franchises? No.

 

In the end sales don't matter anyways when saying what is arguably better exclusive-wise. It's an opinion. I'm not even arguing that Playstation has worse exclusives. Their lineup *is* better so far but to say it's not "arguable" that Nintendo's IP's are better than Sony's is ludicrous, especially when you fall back on sales figures to make a point. You can say "butthurt" all ya want but almost anything is arguable as long as you have a good point to make. But your largely unfounded points don't make the case. I feel bad now knowing Uncharted 4 is soooo niche, now I know why they have to cash in with Lost Legacy. Poor Naughty Dog.

 

I'm not trying to be rude man, I just don't think what you're saying makes sense. I mean, most triple A's aren't niche. It's funny cause if you were just talking about indies on Switch you'd literally be 100% right.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Aeolus451 said:

The individual games sell better because there's relatively no third party games as competition and those games are tailored made for those fans. Those fans bought the console for those games.

When a console has a lot of games, the sales are spread out over all those games instead of being concentrated sales on fewer games. 

         Software sales (in millions) on platform                                   http://www.vgchartz.com/platforms/    

                                               Hardware      Software           Tie ratio         Games total

3 PlayStation 3 (PS3) 86.86         974.12           11.21          3,315

4 Wii (Wii)                 101.18         965.78            9.55           2,808

Likely, the wii likely has games with higher individual game sales that the PS3 does because it has less games but with the similar software sales. 

Also, don't get triggered from the word niche. Nothing wrong with games or genres being niche.

Triggered? I'm not "triggered"; i'd simply expect someone to understand what "arguable" and "niche" means before commenting with them. 

 

Your point is incredibly bad and I can not agree with it. In part because most Nintendo franchises don't have direct competitors even on other platforms(What competes with Zelda on a serioius triple A level? Horizon???) but also because you're acting like people buy Nintendo consoles, go "wut do i does with dis hunk of plastic", and then just randomly buy Nintendo games because that's all there is. That's incredibly backwards logic. People buy Nintendo consoles *for* their games(which you mentioned but didn't seem to understand). And while I do think that more games would be bought on Wii if it was a more 3rd party oriented console, I don't think more games would directly lead to a sales decline because there aren't 3D Platformers with the marketing or praise of Mario, there aren't Kart racers as popular as Mario Kart, etc. 

In essence , if Nintendo had more third parties, what would *more likely happen* is that there would be an increase in sales for all games. Nintendo's exclusives would still be bought because they're unique. Mario Kart doesn't get sales because of a lack of competition - it's because it's Mario Kart. Super Smash Brothers had competition once and look how that turned out. And that competition was an exclusive too with no direct competition on it's platform.

Sony exclusives don't get less sales because there's more competition. It's because they just aren't as bought. So how could you say that Nintendo's games are niche and not Sony's? I can understand saying Star Fox or Metroid is niche(even that's a bit overboard though) but most Nintendo franchises? No.

 

In the end sales don't matter anyways when saying what is arguably better exclusive-wise. It's an opinion. I'm not even arguing that Playstation has worse exclusives. Their lineup *is* better so far but to say it's not "arguable" that Nintendo's IP's are better than Sony's is ludicrous, especially when you fall back on sales figures to make a point. You can say "butthurt" all ya want but almost anything is arguable as long as you have a good point to make. But your largely unfounded points don't make the case. I feel bad now knowing Uncharted 4 is soooo niche, now I know why they have to cash in with Lost Legacy. Poor Naughty Dog.

 

I'm not trying to be rude man, I just don't think what you're saying makes sense. I mean, most triple A's aren't niche. It's funny cause if you were just talking about indies on Switch you'd literally be 100% right.

You call my points bad but they went over your head, apparently. So please try to reread what I wrote and pay special attention to those numbers. 

I'll give a hint though. The software sales numbers in connection with the total games on each console explains why there's more sales on individual games on one console and not the other. 

 

I didn't call you butthurt or imply it but you're overreacting to me saying that nintendo tailors towards a niche market because I didn't say it in the way you took it (nintendo games are niche). I'll explain it to you so it's crystal clear hopefully. 

"Nintendo's first party is tailored towards a niche part of the market and they absolutely love those games but the rest of the market does not"

What was I calling niche? Games or people?

 

Hmmm perhaps you see why I said don't get triggered by the word "niche". You leaped right on "niche" and went with it in a way you wanted it to. If you mistook just that little part, what else did you not get? 




JRPGfan said:
Tulipanzo said:
I find the fact that this thread on low XBox sales has moved to discussing Sony and Nintendo's games very telling

People got bored of talking about bad xbox one sales :P

It starts to feel like that saying about dead horses after a bit.



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Was this comparable (at all) to when the PS4 Pro was announced vs when it launched? Was there a similar percentage dip?



Buying the Xbox One version of a multiplat (when you own a decent PC or PS4) is like having a car and deciding to take the bus, at a time where traffic is at its lowest.

Why would you get an Xbox One over a PS4, you get less games, and the games you do get (multiplats) are objectively worse on that system.
The gulf in quality increases when you look at getting a PC, and on the PC you can play even the Xbox One's upcoming "exclusives" better than you can on the system they were designed for.

The Switch is portable so you can play that even when you out of your house, or in bed.

There is very little reason to get a Xbox One; so people don't do it, why would they?



I don't even know why, exclusives don't matter any more, the price is the same so why is the difference so big? I guess the share options are the reason?  ¯_(ツ)_/¯



Aeolus451 said:

The individual games sell better because there's relatively no third party games as competition and those games are tailored made for those fans. Those fans bought the console for those games.

When a console has a lot of games, the sales are spread out over all those games instead of being concentrated sales on fewer games. 

Please explain to me how Nintendo games still dominated on NES/SNES back when they had the best 3rd party support?



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Aeolus451 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Triggered? I'm not "triggered"; i'd simply expect someone to understand what "arguable" and "niche" means before commenting with them. 

 

Your point is incredibly bad and I can not agree with it. In part because most Nintendo franchises don't have direct competitors even on other platforms(What competes with Zelda on a serioius triple A level? Horizon???) but also because you're acting like people buy Nintendo consoles, go "wut do i does with dis hunk of plastic", and then just randomly buy Nintendo games because that's all there is. That's incredibly backwards logic. People buy Nintendo consoles *for* their games(which you mentioned but didn't seem to understand). And while I do think that more games would be bought on Wii if it was a more 3rd party oriented console, I don't think more games would directly lead to a sales decline because there aren't 3D Platformers with the marketing or praise of Mario, there aren't Kart racers as popular as Mario Kart, etc. 

In essence , if Nintendo had more third parties, what would *more likely happen* is that there would be an increase in sales for all games. Nintendo's exclusives would still be bought because they're unique. Mario Kart doesn't get sales because of a lack of competition - it's because it's Mario Kart. Super Smash Brothers had competition once and look how that turned out. And that competition was an exclusive too with no direct competition on it's platform.

Sony exclusives don't get less sales because there's more competition. It's because they just aren't as bought. So how could you say that Nintendo's games are niche and not Sony's? I can understand saying Star Fox or Metroid is niche(even that's a bit overboard though) but most Nintendo franchises? No.

 

In the end sales don't matter anyways when saying what is arguably better exclusive-wise. It's an opinion. I'm not even arguing that Playstation has worse exclusives. Their lineup *is* better so far but to say it's not "arguable" that Nintendo's IP's are better than Sony's is ludicrous, especially when you fall back on sales figures to make a point. You can say "butthurt" all ya want but almost anything is arguable as long as you have a good point to make. But your largely unfounded points don't make the case. I feel bad now knowing Uncharted 4 is soooo niche, now I know why they have to cash in with Lost Legacy. Poor Naughty Dog.

 

I'm not trying to be rude man, I just don't think what you're saying makes sense. I mean, most triple A's aren't niche. It's funny cause if you were just talking about indies on Switch you'd literally be 100% right.

You call my points bad but they went over your head, apparently. So please try to reread what I wrote and pay special attention to those numbers. 

I'll give a hint though. The software sales numbers in connection with the total games on each console explains why there's more sales on individual games on one console and not the other. 

 

I didn't call you butthurt or imply it but you're overreacting to me saying that nintendo tailors towards a niche market because I didn't say it in the way you took it (nintendo games are niche). I'll explain it to you so it's crystal clear hopefully. 

"Nintendo's first party is tailored towards a niche part of the market and they absolutely love those games but the rest of the market does not"

What was I calling niche? Games or people?

 

Hmmm perhaps you see why I said don't get triggered by the word "niche". You leaped right on "niche" and went with it in a way you wanted it to. If you mistook just that little part, what else did you not get? 


Its funny you say im "over my head" when you literally used niche as an excuse for why Nintendo could never beat Sony Ip wise.. but its even FUNNIER that i literally spent a paragraph or more explaining how high Nintendo software sales are not tied to limited games and yet those points went over your head. You essentially read half a comment and then accused me of focusing on one linear element. Very ironic. 

 

That laugh gif seems more appropriate for you. I spent a lot of sentences disproving your bad wording and your poor argument and then you ignore any criticism of your argument and then went "lololol you mistook one part going too farz lolz". 

 

Again, Nintendo exclusives do not compete with almost any other game series even if they were on the same platform. People buy Mario Kart because its the best kart racer and because it stands out. Third party support wouldnt slump sales of first party. I said all this already though. This is getting to over the top levels of ignorance especially with the lack of self awareness at the gif. Whatevs. Again though, I dont care about sales as much as the fact that you can argue for Nintendo having the better IPs. Its not "inarguable" , both companies are very well respected.