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Theist 96 20.25%
 
Atheist 178 37.55%
 
Agnostic 96 20.25%
 
Spiritual but non theist 29 6.12%
 
Other 32 6.75%
 
God. 43 9.07%
 
Total:474
JWeinCom on 01 July 2017
aLkaLiNE said:

Atheist -> agnostic here. I think it matters only as much as knowing your own personal history or the history of our species matters. Ymmv. But again the term God can be applied abstractly to many ideas. Is God the creator of this physics simulation we live in? Or is God merely the creator or predecessor to mankind as we know it. Or perhaps "He" is a metaphor for the infinite sound wave that is the universe.

 

 

In my opinion, the jump between man and our supposed closest relative, the chimpanzee is too large to be identified by a 1% difference in our genetic database. Something, someone, or perhaps a group intervened and played a role to what we were in the past and what we are today.

About 98.8% of our DNA is non-coding DNA.  We don't know precisely what all of this is used for.  A large chunk of it is, as far as we know useless.  But, at any rate, in doesn't seem to have a direct impact on differentiating function or appearance in humans. It's not part of the human genome.

If we share all of that noncoding DNA with another animal, but not much of the coding DNA, the result would be a wildly different creature.  So, it's not surprising that a 1% change in DNA could lead to something entirely different.



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AlfredoTurkey on 01 July 2017
John2290 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Anyone else feel threads like these should just be perma-banned? We all know how this is going to turn out.

Destroying freedom of thought and discussion simply because of how people have behaved before is a terrible way to advance our ideas. We should all stop conversing incase someone starts a heated agrument? Perhaps just banning the instigators might be a better solution or turn your head from the nonsense and add something useful or not at all.

No "ideas" are going to come from this. If you were interested in real thought and idea sharing with regards to religion, you'd be at other places where like-minded people are at... not video game message boards. 

This thread will end up like every thread like it does, either locked or nothing but insults and misery.



fory77 on 01 July 2017
John2290 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Christians dont try to debunk god.....just the level of value of theh messengers. They all worship the same god (except the athiests). Christians believe jesus to be part of the trinity which mohammad was a prophet in worshipping. Christianity and islamic faith are related through abraham.

You fed the troll...why Stage? Why? I thought you were smarter than this. :(

He made a good point though. They all believe in God, but fight over absolute nonsense. And the question should just be "Is there anything spiritual/divine in the universe at all?", atheists say there isn't and the rest say there is. 



fory77 on 01 July 2017
AlfredoTurkey said:
John2290 said:

Destroying freedom of thought and discussion simply because of how people have behaved before is a terrible way to advance our ideas. We should all stop conversing incase someone starts a heated agrument? Perhaps just banning the instigators might be a better solution or turn your head from the nonsense and add something useful or not at all.

No "ideas" are going to come from this. If you were interested in real thought and idea sharing with regards to religion, you'd be at other places where like-minded people are at... not video game message boards. 

This thread will end up like every thread like it does, either locked or nothing but insults and misery.

No "ideas" are going to come from video game message boards. If you were interested in real thought and idea sharing you'd be at other places where "ideas"  are at

 insults and misery.



JWeinCom on 01 July 2017
John2290 said:
JWeinCom said:

About 98.8% of our DNA is non-coding DNA.  We don't know precisely what all of this is used for.  A large chunk of it is, as far as we know useless.  But, at any rate, in doesn't seem to have a direct impact on differentiating function or appearance in humans. It's not part of the human genome.

If we share all of that noncoding DNA with another animal, but not much of the coding DNA, the result would be a wildly different creature.  So, it's not surprising that a 1% change in DNA could lead to something entirely different.

You are a geneticist? ....or pub talk?

I'm a person who has an interest in science, and has studied up on certain topics.  



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monocle_layton on 01 July 2017

How about we just keep it in our personal lives? I've lived my life with people not knowing what my beliefs are on religion, and it doesn't make one difference.

Does it really matter if I'm atheist? Or a buddhist, christian, etc..



o_O.Q on 01 July 2017
HintHRO said:
o_O.Q said:

it does because without god objective morality cannot exist


If we base our morality on the bible or other ancient books, most people would probably be stoned to death. Non-believers would be beheaded. Women who tell a man what to do would be slapped. Gays, transgenders and jews would be killed. But we have changed our morality and culture drastically in only a few ages. This means to me we don't need God or ancient books to define our morality. Thus God doesn't exist.

I didn't say anything about the bible but i do believe that a lot of the information in the bible is misinterpreted

and yes we've now tilted from excluding lgbt people to going after white male people... so truly nothing has changed since it is in man's nature to be conpassionate to his "kin" and antagonistic to those outside of their preffered social grouping

which is why a concept beyond man's scope is useful in terms of moral structures



o_O.Q on 01 July 2017
collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

laws change with the times or in other words they are subjective

So is morality

yes that's what i was saying - without the concept of a god morality can't be objective and changes to suit whatever whims people have



o_O.Q on 01 July 2017
Jpcc86 said:
o_O.Q said:

objective morality 

Theres no such thing, with or without religions. 

so you believe that killing people for fun can be ok given enough time?



o_O.Q on 01 July 2017
Kristof81 said:
o_O.Q said:

it does because without god objective morality cannot exist

All primates show signs of morality. It's "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of relation, where wellbeing of whole group is more important than individual gains. It's pretty basic, natural behaviour, which simply pays off and chimpanzees or gorillas don't need God to explain this. 

well generally but that doesn't account for sociopaths or people who simply decide to revoke that social arrangement and that's where the problem of the subjetivity of individuals comes from