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Forums - Politics Discussion - Putin calls the allegations of Trump leaking secrets "Political schizophrenia".

 

Did Trump leaked?

Obviously. Putin is his bff. 35 33.98%
 
Nah. Just another phase of the witch hunt. 44 42.72%
 
No Idea. Can't see anyth... 24 23.30%
 
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Dulfite said:
I'm conflicted on this. He shared information with the Russians about something to do with ISIS right? ISIS is a common enemy, so that seems logical, doesn't it? The only weird part is that we didn't share it with our allies first.

But one of the reasons Trump was elected was so we could have a less hostile relationship with the Russians, as no one in America (and I'm sure Russia), and certainly not the rest of the world wants the two of us to go at it again, and despite his crazy actions, Trump seems to be the best bet at getting along with the Russians more.

Because nothing says mending relationships between US citizens and Russia than a hacking in attempts to help further a far right authoritarian nominee (Trump in this case). /Rolls eyes



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Big words from the guy who kills anyone who says anything negative about him



Dulfite said:
I'm conflicted on this. He shared information with the Russians about something to do with ISIS right? ISIS is a common enemy, so that seems logical, doesn't it? The only weird part is that we didn't share it with our allies first.

But one of the reasons Trump was elected was so we could have a less hostile relationship with the Russians, as no one in America (and I'm sure Russia), and certainly not the rest of the world wants the two of us to go at it again, and despite his crazy actions, Trump seems to be the best bet at getting along with the Russians more.

 The allegation is that he shared information from a source that did not give permission for the information to be shared. That is considered an important consideration in the intelligence community. It could put the source in danger. It could make the source angry and refuse to deal with us any longer, thus hurting our intelligence operations. Supposedly, information about the source is highly sensitive, to the point where the intelligence they gather could expose them. That probably means they are high enough rank to have access to protected information so losing them would be no laughing matter.



FunFan said:
Nem said:

Oh boy... /rolleyes

Do you really for a moment doubt that Trump would'nt do it just out of sheer ignorance?

Well... umm... Has he posted classified intelligence on twitter yet? Do you think he knows what classified means?

 

1. I wouldn't put it past him.

2. Probably not.



FunFan said:
Hiku said:

White House staff all carefully avoided using the term "classified info" when adressing this. Then the next day they said "we won't say if it's classified or not."
And Trump mentioned how he has a (legal) right to share info (which includes classified info) and then went on to complain about leakers in the same Tweet.

It's very very likely that it happened based on their response.
If it didn't happen they would specify that no classified info was shared at this point.

No one is acting as if they knew exactly what was said though. Just that classified info likely was shared.
For the record, I don't think this has much or anything to do with his supposed ties to Russia. It's seems more like Trump being careless.

I don't know who Putin is aiming this comment at, but it's probably not at people who do a bit of thinking.

No one? I must have missread so many posts these past few days.

Theres no point man! It's a loss cause on this site. Unless you like being attacked for airing your opinion. 

It's sad that Russia and the rest of the world are making fun of the once mighty Americans becasue of political turmoil.

At least America won't have to worry about their enemies anymore, because it's being attacked from the inside. 



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I think the current POTUS is the only one with political schizophrenia, thank you very much.



Dulfite said:
I'm conflicted on this. He shared information with the Russians about something to do with ISIS right? ISIS is a common enemy, so that seems logical, doesn't it? The only weird part is that we didn't share it with our allies first.

But one of the reasons Trump was elected was so we could have a less hostile relationship with the Russians, as no one in America (and I'm sure Russia), and certainly not the rest of the world wants the two of us to go at it again, and despite his crazy actions, Trump seems to be the best bet at getting along with the Russians more.

The president does has the right to share any and all information he is privy to because of his position.  The question is that the people who gave the US the intel would like to know who that intel is shared with in case it becomes a conflict of interest.  The fact that certain intel could put agents at risk or certain surveillance is the key issue.  Basically it comes down to ignorance.  The current administration never seek understanding before it does anything and we have seen that Trump is the king when it comes to just doing without thought or understanding.

On your second paragraph, where the heck did you get that opinion.  I do not remember any conservative American choosing Trump so that the US can have a less hostile relationship with Russia.



vivster said:
FunFan said:

He just said he discussed some information. Not that said information contained "secrets".

Yes, and the fact that he said exactly that instead of "the intel we discussed was not classified" means he did give out classified information. Trump is not a complex man and his reactions are easy to read. He basically said the only thing that means exactly that he shared classified information.

Maybe. But here in the USA everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Assumptions, no matter how "obvious" they may sound to you, do not count as proof. We can't impeach the President based on conjecture alone. If Putin thinks he has proof, then we should welcome it.



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vivster said:
Actually we do have confirmation from the highest source. The fact that he told us he did something instead of just calling fake news is proof.

Proof of what? That he hosted the Russian ambassador and they didn't just sit in the room staring at each other for an hour? He gave us a general statement of what they discussed but didn't go into specifics and so we don't know what on that subject or any other subject they discussed. We also don't know if what they discussed was inapropriate (though he's the POTUS so apropriateness is almost irrelevent) but we do know that the people who have gone on record about this meeting have stated, he didn't talk about anything either not already public nor did he divulge anything inapropriately. 



Hiku said:
FunFan said:

No one? I must have missread so many posts these past few days.

I was talking about statements from public officials and the media.

You can find people saying just about anything online. That doesn't mean you should put much weight on uninformed comments.

But wouldn't you agree that it sounds very likely that he did it, based on how he and his people responded to this?
That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying impeach him for it. In fact, he is well within his rights to do so, if he did, because any classified info that the president shares automatically becomes declassified.

I may, but someone still needs to balance things out.



“Simple minds have always confused great honesty with great rudeness.” - Sherlock Holmes, Elementary (2013).

"Did you guys expected some actual rational fact-based reasoning? ...you should already know I'm all about BS and fraudulence." - FunFan, VGchartz (2016)