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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

 

So, what's exactly problem!? Those 5 originaly games with combination of 2 Wii U ports make 1st 9 months of Switch are stronger in terms of in-house games than any previous Nintendo console, just Zelda BotW blows away complete full 1st year Wii U's lineup, dont even try to compare that with PS4 or XB1.

You can question whatever you want, but its obvious that they correct majority of past mistakes, especially in terms of games. I several times explained to you why they said "focus on 2017. games" and you have very clear example of last ND. Again, "focus on 2017. games" doesn't mean they will not show 2018. games at E3, they will definatly show some 2018. games. Again, They could not said focus on ARMS and Splatoon for last ND, but they did, and they did focus on those games but in same time they show tons of other games, and now for E3 they saying "focus on 2017. games"and they will focus on them (from obvious and reasons that totaly make sense), but they will also show 2018. games.

I dont see how point that two months after Switch launch and one month before E3 didn't show 2018. games (but they did annuced FireEmblem) has anything with Wii U!? With Wii U situation was totally reverse, because terrible sales they panicked and basically announced almost all games they had in development only two months after launch, some of those games we saw couple of years after that announcement. With Switch it's obvious they have great and effective plan, they don't need to announce all games they have in development they just need to continue good and very positive momentum. Offcourse they have 2018. games and offcourse they will show some of them in one month at E3.

I'm not questioning the quality of their first Switch games. That's not the point.

"You can question whatever you want, but its obvious that they correct majority of past mistakes, especially in terms of games"
 And this is where we disagree - and you haven't shown me proof of what you just affirmed.

Abou NDs and E3 presentation, i'm sorry but to me and from what we have seen, Nintendo handles them differently.
And because of that i can't compare one with the other.
Speaking specifically about the presentation tell me why they needed to focus on 2017 games. Don't they have the showfloor and treehouse for that? Can't they also have specific NDs to focus even more?
What's the very good reason they can't let the video be about 2017+2018, instead of 2017 and a little 2018?

Their great plan involved not revealing or even mentioning a 2018 but having Suda on stage talk about a game that is going to come out... eventually.
And the only thing they have done so far was just saying a FE is coming.
Heck, even Atlus did better than that when they showed that teaser and more recently, the image.

I know that you'll not agree with me on this, but after failing their promises with 3DS, Wii U, pratically not showing a single 2018 game so far and not even trying to create interest on Switch's future i honestly don't understand how simply questioning them almost becomes an absurdity.



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Green098 said:
MisterManGuy said:
I'm keeping my expectations as realistic as possible here, but here's what I expect, or at least hope to see.

Super Mario Odyssey - Duh!

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - English Trailer, and release date

Pikmin 4 - Trailer and release for Autumn this year. Miyamoto said it was close to completion, so it may come sooner than we think.

Rabbids and Mario RPG - I still find the idea absurd, but it sounds real enough apparently. I don't think it'll be published by Nintendo though. It'll just be a Ubisoft game that Nintendo licensed out the characters to I think.

Two Brand New IPs, One from EPD 6 (the 1-2 Switch team) and one from EPD 7 (the Rhythm Heaven team) - This one's more of a personal hope on my part. EPD 6, headed by Kouichi Kawamoto, recently made 1-2 Switch and Miitopia, considering both were released within mere months of each-other, I expect to see something new from them at some point, My guess is some sort of music game. EPD 7, headed by Katsuya Yamano, is primarily known for the WarioWare and Rhythm Heaven series. I would like to see a new game from them as well. Perhaps Ko Takeuchi (WarioWare Character Designer) can Direct a game.

Retro's New game - Whatever it is

Fire Emblem Switch - Early 2018, Trailer, also a trailer and release date for Fire Emblem Warriors too.

Grand Finale: Metroid for Nintendo Switch - Yeah, I know it sounds like a fans wet dream, but I wouldn't expect more than a short gameplay-less teaser. I do think Metroid will make a big comeback soon though.

Don't expect Pokemon Stars (which if it were real, it would not be for the Switch, so give up that pie in the sky dream already), Zelda DLC, Virtual Console, or even online plans, those are non-announcements that can be handled in a later Nintendo Direct. This Nintendo Spotlight should mostly be just games.

Well actually on the contary, if Pokemon Stars is real it's more likely to come to the Switch than 3DS.

Nintendo is only shipping 6 million 3DS units this fisical year (Up until March 2018), kind of low if they're planning to release one of the most popular franchise's in gaming on that system? Second Nintendo isn't even showcasing anything 3DS related for the Nintendo Spotlight event (you know the main part of their E3 event) I highly doubt a new 3DS Pokemon game is something you announce during a Nintendo Treehouse Live Stream. Lastly the entire 'Pokemon Stars' rumour is based on it being an HD Pokemon game which is only possible on an HD console; the 'Switch'.

Look, I'll gladly eat a crow if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Game Freak would make one version of a Pokemon game exclusive a console that didn't even get the other versions. If you're making Stars for the Switch, you might as well port over Sun and Moon as well. If it was cross platform with the 3DS, then I could see it maybe being plausable, but I don't buy the fact that they're making just one version of gen 8 for the Switch because it makes no logical buisness sense. Unless the Switch is backwards compatible with 3DS wireless connections, having just one version to trade with defeats the entire selling point of Pokemon. And it's not the first time another main Pokemon game was released late in a system's life Pokemon Black and White 2 were released for the DS a whole year after the 3DS released.

Plus, it probably wouldn't be announced in the Spotlight anyway, The Pokemon Company typically reveals games on their own time, not Nintendo's. Nearly every Pokemon game to date was revealed prior to E3, maybe this time is different but I have very little reason to believe things will change in that regard. 

However, it would be hillarious if Stars turns out to just be some throwaway spin-off game for the holidays rather than a mainline entry. 



DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

So, what's exactly problem!? Those 5 originaly games with combination of 2 Wii U ports make 1st 9 months of Switch are stronger in terms of in-house games than any previous Nintendo console, just Zelda BotW blows away complete full 1st year Wii U's lineup, dont even try to compare that with PS4 or XB1.

You can question whatever you want, but its obvious that they correct majority of past mistakes, especially in terms of games. I several times explained to you why they said "focus on 2017. games" and you have very clear example of last ND. Again, "focus on 2017. games" doesn't mean they will not show 2018. games at E3, they will definatly show some 2018. games. Again, They could not said focus on ARMS and Splatoon for last ND, but they did, and they did focus on those games but in same time they show tons of other games, and now for E3 they saying "focus on 2017. games"and they will focus on them (from obvious and reasons that totaly make sense), but they will also show 2018. games.

I dont see how point that two months after Switch launch and one month before E3 didn't show 2018. games (but they did annuced FireEmblem) has anything with Wii U!? With Wii U situation was totally reverse, because terrible sales they panicked and basically announced almost all games they had in development only two months after launch, some of those games we saw couple of years after that announcement. With Switch it's obvious they have great and effective plan, they don't need to announce all games they have in development they just need to continue good and very positive momentum. Offcourse they have 2018. games and offcourse they will show some of them in one month at E3.

"You can question whatever you want, but its obvious that they correct majority of past mistakes, especially in terms of games"
 And this is where we disagree - and you haven't shown me proof of what you just affirmed.

Abou NDs and E3 presentation, i'm sorry but to me and from what we have seen, Nintendo handles them differently.
And because of that i can't compare one with the other.
Speaking specifically about the presentation tell me why they needed to focus on 2017 games. Don't they have the showfloor and treehouse for that? Can't they also have specific NDs to focus even more?
What's the very good reason they can't let the video be about 2017+2018, instead of 2017 and a little 2018?

Their great plan involved not revealing or even mentioning a 2018 but having Suda on stage talk about a game that is going to come out... eventually.
And the only thing they have done so far was just saying a FE is coming.
Heck, even Atlus did better than that when they showed that teaser and more recently, the image.

I know that you'll not agree with me on this, but after failing their promises with 3DS, Wii U, pratically not showing a single 2018 game so far and not even trying to create interest on Switch's future i honestly don't understand how simply questioning them almost becomes an absurdity.

I didn't!? 7 in-house games (for now) in 1st 9 months is not good enuf!? Blind man could see that Switch 1st 9 months shit all over full Wii Us 1st year, that's clear evidence.

Fact is that Nintendo Digital event or new Nintendo Spotlight is just bigger Nintendo Direct, it's basically ND with bigger announcements. So yes, if you doubt about "focus 2017. games" you have very clear example with last ND how they handeld "focus" and what "focus" means for them.

Like I wrote several times to you, beacuse 2017. games are games that will be out in near future (1-6 months), not in 1-2 years, so they want to have more infos and to promote them more because they will have much more time for 2018. titles later. Yes they can have even specific NDs, but E3 is biggest event, hell they even spend hole last E3 just to promote Zelda BotW that was Switch launch game.

Of Course, why they would need to speak about their 2018. games in January 2017. when they can talk about them at later date!? Last thing they want is to repeat Wii U mistakes were they announced games years in front. Suda and Atlus are not Nintendo. Guess what, FE is anncued at Fire Emblem ND, not in January event.

They did not failed promise with 3DS, 3DS had just slower output of games at start but 3DS received huge number of great games, even something similar could be said even for Wii U even it had shorter life span from obvious reason. Again, you need to realise that Switch is just 2 months on market, and only one month before 1st Switchs E3, and not even in half of 2017. I would understand you if we are at end of 2017. but we are not even in middle of 2017. and E3 yet needs to come. You sound like E3 passed, Nintendo didn't announced not single 2018. game at E3, and like there is no any evidence that Nintendo is working on any 2018, in other words you sound absurd, you do realise that you are only person here ho doubt about Switch 2018. in terms of games.



MisterManGuy said:

Look, I'll gladly eat a crow if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Game Freak would make one version of a Pokemon game exclusive a console that didn't even get the other versions. If you're making Stars for the Switch, you might as well port over Sun and Moon as well. If it was cross platform with the 3DS, then I could see it maybe being plausable, but I don't buy the fact that they're making just one version of gen 8 for the Switch because it makes no logical buisness sense. Unless the Switch is backwards compatible with 3DS wireless connections, having just one version to trade with defeats the entire selling point of Pokemon. And it's not the first time another main Pokemon game was released late in a system's life Pokemon Black and White 2 were released for the DS a whole year after the 3DS released.

Plus, it probably wouldn't be announced in the Spotlight anyway, The Pokemon Company typically reveals games on their own time, not Nintendo's. Nearly every Pokemon game to date was revealed prior to E3, maybe this time is different but I have very little reason to believe things will change in that regard. 

However, it would be hillarious if Stars turns out to just be some throwaway spin-off game for the holidays rather than a mainline entry. 

 

No one specified it would be a single version. My thinking is that Stars will be sequel games like B2/W2, ie: Pokemon Solar Eclipse & Lunar Eclipse, and it will be multiplatform between 3DS n Switch like Fire Emblem Warriors.

Mainline Pokemon used to never show up at E3 at all until recently (2013 with X/Y). That's a good reason to believe a Pokemon reveal at E3 is possible. That, and how the year's game is usually revealed by now.



Einsam_Delphin said:
MisterManGuy said:

Look, I'll gladly eat a crow if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Game Freak would make one version of a Pokemon game exclusive a console that didn't even get the other versions. If you're making Stars for the Switch, you might as well port over Sun and Moon as well. If it was cross platform with the 3DS, then I could see it maybe being plausable, but I don't buy the fact that they're making just one version of gen 8 for the Switch because it makes no logical buisness sense. Unless the Switch is backwards compatible with 3DS wireless connections, having just one version to trade with defeats the entire selling point of Pokemon. And it's not the first time another main Pokemon game was released late in a system's life Pokemon Black and White 2 were released for the DS a whole year after the 3DS released.

Plus, it probably wouldn't be announced in the Spotlight anyway, The Pokemon Company typically reveals games on their own time, not Nintendo's. Nearly every Pokemon game to date was revealed prior to E3, maybe this time is different but I have very little reason to believe things will change in that regard. 

However, it would be hillarious if Stars turns out to just be some throwaway spin-off game for the holidays rather than a mainline entry. 

 

No one specified it would be a single version. My thinking is that Stars will be sequel games like B2/W2, ie: Pokemon Solar Eclipse & Lunar Eclipse, and it will be multiplatform between 3DS n Switch like Fire Emblem Warriors.

Mainline Pokemon used to never show up at E3 at all until recently (2013 with X/Y). That's a good reason to believe a Pokemon reveal at E3 is possible. That, and how the year's game is usually revealed by now.

Now THAT is actually a lot more plausable than just one version of a Pokemon gen being exlusive to the Switch and not the system Sun and Moon originated on. A direct sequel to Sun and Moon with 2 versions for the 3DS and/or Switch is way more possible. I still think it'll be revealed outside of E3 though.



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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

 

I didn't!? 7 in-house games (for now) in 1st 9 months is not good enuf!? Blind man could see that Switch 1st 9 months shit all over full Wii Us 1st year, that's clear evidence.

Fact is that Nintendo Digital event or new Nintendo Spotlight is just bigger Nintendo Direct, it's basically ND with bigger announcements. So yes, if you doubt about "focus 2017. games" you have very clear example with last ND how they handeld "focus" and what "focus" means for them.

Like I wrote several times to you, beacuse 2017. games are games that will be out in near future (1-6 months), not in 1-2 years, so they want to have more infos and to promote them more because they will have much more time for 2018. titles later. Yes they can have even specific NDs, but E3 is biggest event, hell they even spend hole last E3 just to promote Zelda BotW that was Switch launch game.

Of Course, why they would need to speak about their 2018. games in January 2017. when they can talk about them at later date!? Last thing they want is to repeat Wii U mistakes were they announced games years in front. Suda and Atlus are not Nintendo. Guess what, FE is anncued at Fire Emblem ND, not in January event.

They did not failed promise with 3DS, 3DS had just slower output of games at start but 3DS received huge number of great games, even something similar could be said even for Wii U even it had shorter life span from obvious reason. Again, you need to realise that Switch is just 2 months on market, and only one month before 1st Switchs E3, and not even in half of 2017. I would understand you if we are at end of 2017. but we are not even in middle of 2017. and E3 yet needs to come. You sound like E3 passed, Nintendo didn't announced not single 2018. game at E3, and like there is no any evidence that Nintendo is working on any 2018, in other words you sound absurd, you do realise that you are only person here ho doubt about Switch 2018. in terms of games.

Zelda = port
1-2-Switch = new
MK8 = port
Arms = new
Splatoon 2 = new
Mario = new
Xenoblade 2 = new

From a in-house development standpoint, it's 5 new games specifically for Switch + 2 Wii U ports.
Am i forgetting anything?

No, E3 presentations aren't just better NDs. Both Digital Events show that they handled them differently - not to mention they save the best announcements for E3.

"hell they even spend hole last E3 just to promote Zelda BotW "
And you think this was their plan all along? What did they have left that significant? Paper Mario CS.
Again, have having games to promote this year - like all years - doesn't mean you can focus an E3 presentation on 2017 and 2018. Your argument is not good enough to convince me that you are right.
If they only had the presentation i could agree with you. But they have the showfloor, treehouse and a lot of time for NDs to focus on 2017 games. There's no real reason to sacrifice showing more of 2018 games in benefit of focusing primarly on 2017 games during E3. There just isn't.

And you are right, E3 IS the biggest event. So, it makes perfect sense to show more of what's coming, instead of using a ND to do that.

"They did not failed promise with 3DS, 3DS had just slower output of games at start "
 But this is exactly where they failed.
Of course they got better with time, but it was promised one way and happened in another way.
When they left Wii pretty much living of 3rd party titles for it's last 2 years it was so that 3DS wouldn't suffered a game drought, yet it happened.

The problem is not if we are close to launch or at the end of 2017.
The problem, as i see it, is them not using the stage (January and E3) to be more open on 2018 games.
They can put on stage companies talking about or revealing 2018 games, but somehow it's absurd if i ask the same of Nintendo? I can't see the logic in that.



MisterManGuy said:

Now THAT is actually a lot more plausable than just one version of a Pokemon gen being exlusive to the Switch and not the system Sun and Moon originated on. A direct sequel to Sun and Moon with 2 versions for the 3DS and/or Switch is way more possible. I still think it'll be revealed outside of E3 though.

The clock is ticking on that, less than 30 days to go until E3! Tbh I think we've already hit the point where if they were gonna reveal prior to E3 they would have done it already, but we'll see!



Einsam_Delphin said:
MisterManGuy said:

Now THAT is actually a lot more plausable than just one version of a Pokemon gen being exlusive to the Switch and not the system Sun and Moon originated on. A direct sequel to Sun and Moon with 2 versions for the 3DS and/or Switch is way more possible. I still think it'll be revealed outside of E3 though.

The clock is ticking on that, less than 30 days to go until E3! Tbh I think we've already hit the point where if they were gonna reveal prior to E3 they would have done it already, but we'll see!

Well it could always be revealed after E3. Hell, we may not see until next year. Like I said, it's all up to The Pokemon Company and how they want to reveal it, assuming it's real at all.  



MisterManGuy said:

Well it could always be revealed after E3. Hell, we may not see until next year. Like I said, it's all up to The Pokemon Company and how they want to reveal it, assuming it's real at all.  

It's most likely real, Eurogamer isn't 100% accurate on everything but they have good credibility, and the codename they gave for the game now redirects to the Pokemon site just like the codename for Sun and Moon did. Besides Pokemon is a yearly franchise and Sun & Moon strongly hint at a sequel and desperately want to be played on better hardware. If it's releasing this holiday as Pokemon games do, it'll be revealed no later than E3.



Einsam_Delphin said:
MisterManGuy said:

Well it could always be revealed after E3. Hell, we may not see until next year. Like I said, it's all up to The Pokemon Company and how they want to reveal it, assuming it's real at all.  

It's most likely real, Eurogamer isn't 100% accurate on everything but they have good credibility, and the codename they gave for the game now redirects to the Pokemon site just like the codename for Sun and Moon did. Besides Pokemon is a yearly franchise and Sun & Moon strongly hint at a sequel and desperately want to be played on better hardware. If it's releasing this holiday as Pokemon games do, it'll be revealed no later than E3.

Well, we'll see.