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Who do you think will be the next President of France?

Macron 167 69.87%
 
Le Pen 72 30.13%
 
Total:239
Aeolus451 on 24 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

It doesn't matter what he says but I'm sure he's an actual socialist who wants to change the US more into it. 

Let's assume that he is an actual socialist (his platform in the elections did not indicate it). He was running for the Democratic Party, which would never allow him to do that.

He calls himself a democratic socialist and yet they let him run for government positions as a democrat. Anyway, I've seen some of your political views on here and you sound just like any other college kid in the US who's a fresh liberal. 



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Aeolus451 on 24 April 2017
Normchacho said:
Shadow1980 said:

What industry did he propose to nationalize or otherwise convert to public ownership?

Not a conservative = socialist 

 

Duh. 

No. There's a sizable but growing element within the liberal party that are socialist or sort of blending the two.



WagnerPaiva on 24 April 2017
StarOcean said:
WagnerPaiva said:

I am like that squid that pick the world cup winners. I said Trump would win and now I say Le Pen will win. Money in the bank.

This post offends me. Why? That is clearly an octopus. Not a squid. I'm sorry but as having my 2 favorite animals be the octopus and the squid -I get annoyed when people confuse the two v.v to me, it's like confusing a black cat for a border collie

 

tiffac said:
WagnerPaiva said:

I am like that squid that pick the world cup winners. I said Trump would win and now I say Le Pen will win. Money in the bank.

I think you may have jinxed her by calling an Octopus a Squid. :p

Oh noes! 



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Faelco on 24 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
areason said:
Disappointed how the Macron, who is just Chelsea Clinton but 10 years older is going to become President of France.

It's sad how people went against Fillion for being corrupt, but that they don't see how he has been breed for the past 10 years by the establishment, and how he is the successor of Hollande.

I'd say that being corrupt is a good reason to go against someone! Though that problem is that they're all corrupt

Fillon isn't corrupt actually. The guy has been a congressman for 30 years, a minister for 15 years, prime minister for 5 years, candidate for the presidency of the biggest French party, challenger in the primaries for the presidential election.... And nobody ever accused him of anything. 

 

But a week after he became an official presidential candidate and the leader in the polls, an "affair" appears. What a coincidence, right? Remember Strauss Kahn 5 years ago? And this "affair" is empty: the guy hired his wife in his team, like at least a third of the Congress here, and a lot of other people (I know my mom worked for my dad for years). It's nothing. But as usual, the newspapers tried to sell some more of their expensive toilet paper by adding the salaries of his wife for 30 years, and adding the taxes paid on those salaries, to announce proudly "Fillon stole 1 million euros". Yep, and it that case half of the French people are millionaires. And unfortunately people are too stupid to analyze what they see in the news and really believe that he stole 1 million... 



p0isonparadise on 24 April 2017

Final results;

Macron - 24%
Le Pen - 21%
Fillon - 20%
Melenchon - 20%
Hamon - 6%
Dupont-Aignan - 5%



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areason on 25 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
areason said:
Disappointed how the Macron, who is just Chelsea Clinton but 10 years older is going to become President of France.

It's sad how people went against Fillion for being corrupt, but that they don't see how he has been breed for the past 10 years by the establishment, and how he is the successor of Hollande.

I'd say that being corrupt is a good reason to go against someone! Though that problem is that they're all corrupt

Yes so that is when you look at actual policy, Macron has no real plan, his whole campaign is a scheme trying to appeal to people on all ends of the political spectrum. 



LadyJasmine on 25 April 2017

I have a feeling Marcon just delayed La Pen till 2022


It is like How Hillary Winning likely would have just stalled the right wing lurch by 4-8 years



monocle_layton on 25 April 2017
Flilix said:
Faelco said:
As a French guy, I really don't get why every foreigner seems so worried about Le Pen winning this election (even here in Japan several people talked to me about it). SHE CAN'T. The last time a Le Pen went to the second round (her father 15 years ago), he lost worse than 80/20. Everyone will go to vote Macron to block Le Pen, it will more likely be a 70/30 round (she's more popular than her father). "Who won the first round" doesn't matter at all here, it's a detail. We could maybe talk seriously about Le Pen winning in 15 more years if things keep getting worse. Her only chance would be that everyone think the same thing and won't vote, but that's unlikely.

But the real question is about the parliament elections in a month. Le Pen as usual almost won't get any seat, but Macron himself doesn't have a strong party to back him up, so I'm not sure he'll get a majority. We could still get a classic right-wing parliament, and so government. We'll see...

A classic right-wing parliament isn't too bad. The moderate right usually doesn't take crazy decisions.

I wish the US had a moderate right-wing party...instead, we have complete nutheads who look like the morons you found in the Infowars comment section



monocle_layton on 25 April 2017
WagnerPaiva said:
Le Pen is mightier than the sword. Mark my words: She will win.

if she's anything like Trump, god help France if she somehow wins it all.



Aeolus451 on 25 April 2017
Shadow1980 said:

 

Aeolus451 said:

He calls himself a democratic socialist and yet they let him run for government positions as a democrat. Anyway, I've seen some of your political views on here and you sound just like any other college kid in the US who's a fresh liberal. 

What he calls himself is irrelevant. "Socialism" has become such an abused word in political discourse that its actual meaning. Bernie's actual platform and voting history show no indication of supporting the nationalization of any industry, though an interview from 30 years ago showed he supports cooperatives as a form of public ownership, or at least did at the time. In practice, he is a social democrat, not a socialist.

Aeolus451 said:

No. There's a sizable but growing element within the liberal party that are socialist or sort of blending the two.

"Liberal Party." I'm assuming you mean the Democrats. The Dems are a centrist party with some center-left members. Their platform is far more moderate than Bernie's. There is nothing to indicate that the Democrats support any sort of public ownership of the means of production. The idea that the Democrats are socialists is patently ridiculous, and only persists because of decades of successful framing and hijacking of language by right-wing pundits.

What he calls himself is very relevent to this. Political ideologies and their labels change over time to better reflect what's going on in the present. Don't blame the right wing when bernie fucking sanders labels himself as such when he ran against hilary clinton an in the demoratic primary. You mean must thinking that I'm talking about the left and right in relationship to france or europe but I'm not.