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Evil?

They can be wrong, it doesn't make them evil necessarily.

I think for many people describing themselves as feminists, I would say their intentions and heart are in a good place, but they don't realize the ideology that sits behind what they are declaring themselves to be, actually is sexist in itself and by conception bias against men (and in several forms of feminism against some women as well)

Then you have the professional victims like the Sarkeesian types that simply profit out of that buzzword and are actually destructive to the goals of equality that most of us would agree with. (not equality of results, but equality of opportunities)



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"Why Are Feminists Evil?"

Their not, but most of them arnt fair either.
Most of them dont really want equal rights for women, they wish for women first above men.
Alot of them seem to just really hate men.



Really, what's the point of hyperbole and exaggerations like the title and the first line of the OP?  It gives the impression that you aren't looking for a discussion, just a mud-slinging match.

If the question is really, "why do some people look with disfavor upon 'feminism'," then you're going to get a ton of different answers.  It would be the height of ignorance to attempt to paint all objections or disagreements with one brush, especially considering that feminism itself is so many different things that even feminists disagree.

Here is an example of the kind of conceited generalizations to avoid if you want to have a real discussion:

Goodnightmoon said:
Because they are trying to destroy our white male privilegy and we are afraid as fuck of that, what if they start treating men as men has been treating women for ages? Terrorific

Now, if you want to get to the core of the legitimate complaints about feminism then try reading this:  WHY I NO LONGER IDENTIFY AS A FEMINIST

Liberal feminist aims gradually shifted from the position:

“Everyone deserves human rights and equality, and feminism focuses on achieving them for women.”

to

“Individuals and groups of all sexes, races, religions and sexualities have their own truths, norms and values. All truths, cultural norms and moral values are equal. Those of white, Western, heterosexual men have unfairly dominated in the past so now they and all their ideas must be set aside for marginalized groups.”

That's just one part of it but I think it's the crux of the problem a lot of guys have with it.  

Personally, I hate the hypocrisy I see with some "feminists," which makes me not want to stand under that label.  They do not seem to desire equality but rather to use that as an excuse to rewrite society that puts them first.  



setsunatenshi said:
Evil?

They can be wrong, it doesn't make them evil necessarily.

I think for many people describing themselves as feminists, I would say their intentions and heart are in a good place, but they don't realize the ideology that sits behind what they are declaring themselves to be, actually is sexist in itself and by conception bias against men (and in several forms of feminism against some women as well)

Then you have the professional victims like the Sarkeesian types that simply profit out of that buzzword and are actually destructive to the goals of equality that most of us would agree with. (not equality of results, but equality of opportunities)

I've been to two meetings of feminists and I was pleasantly surprised that though the hardcore ones were all about women's rights, the topics that they discussed and the reaction by most attendees were about men's rights too. They talked about how women are pressured to have a certain type of body and then female feminists would jump in and say, men don't have it much better since they're not allowed to show their feelings or they will be criticised by both men and women. They talked about words that they think are harmful, such as pussy or reference to "having balls" as a good thing, because both harm men and women. They brought up the need for paternity leave (though they said nothing about child custody).

My point is, how many times have people, who accuse feminist of all sorts of things, actually listened to them?  



JRPGfan said:
"Why Are Feminists Evil?"

Their not, but most of them arnt fair either.
Most of them dont really want equal rights for women, they wish for women first above men.
Alot of them seem to just really hate men.

And you know this how exactly?



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naruball said:
JRPGfan said:
"Why Are Feminists Evil?"

Their not, but most of them arnt fair either.
Most of them dont really want equal rights for women, they wish for women first above men.
Alot of them seem to just really hate men.

And you know this how exactly?

Thats basically just my opinion off of seeing the most vocal ones.

Their crazy imo.

I havnt sat down and counted every single liveing feminist on the planet, and gone "yep more than 50% of them are nuts".

Whats your point?



Zekkyou said:

I think it mostly comes down to the effect of extremes on each side. You have a minority on the gaming side who think that only games that pander to men are good, and a minority on the feminist side that think anything that panders to men is bad.

The problem with extremes if they tend to be the most ideologically driven, so will shout louder and work harder than anyone else to get what they went. They can quickly become the face of an idea, which slowly drags those around them further out as the see how 'terrible' the face of the other side is.

The real-world effect can be interesting. The overwhelming majority of feminists will tell you they're want equality, but from the perspective of an outsider it will sometimes seem like they're actively working to widen inequality (education being the one of most significant examples). Then on the gaming end, the overwhelming majority will tell you they couldn't care less what the gender or race of a games protagonist is, yet to an outsider it will sometimes seem like the whole gaming community will at random get angry at a game for it.

'Tis a silly business. 

Extremists generally taint all things, sometimes to the point that the original meaning is lost and people who were drawn to that no longer want to associate with the group.  The longer this continues, the more splinter positions develop.  

We see that with feminism, especially, where a lot of feminists very much disagree with one another about what "feminism" means.

Even beyond that, opposition almost always centers on the most extreme arguments, further shifting the perspective.

Personally, I think feminism is much the same as "Gamers Gate", where the original point has been so sullied by the worst examples that it should largely be discarded by those who really want equality.  As it stands, when someone declares themselves a feminist, I have to wait for them to tell me what kind of a feminist they are before a conversation can even happen.  



JRPGfan said:
naruball said:

And you know this how exactly?

Thats basically just my opinion off of seeing the most vocal ones.

Their crazy imo.

I havnt sat down and counted every single liveing feminist on the planet, and gone "yep more than 50% of them are nuts".

Whats your point?

My point is very clear. There is no way of knowing how many feminists are crazy, so saying most of them shows your bias. Nothing more, nothing less.



naruball said:
JRPGfan said:

Thats basically just my opinion off of seeing the most vocal ones.

Their crazy imo.

I havnt sat down and counted every single liveing feminist on the planet, and gone "yep more than 50% of them are nuts".

Whats your point?

My point is very clear. There is no way of knowing how many feminists are crazy, so saying most of them shows your bias. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Your a man, so your just biased and nothing you say counts"

Great.... nice talking with you, and thanks for qouteing me just to go "your biased and wrong, because your a man".

 

I can understand your opinion is differnt, because you where dragged to a convention of feminist and meet some nice ones.

Most people probably dont, and their opinions are just based off of the most crazy and vocal ones, that seem to dominate the media though.

Theres nothing wrong with that, or haveing such a opinion "feminist are nuts", because alot of them probably are, and thats the ones that get through to people online.

Ive met a self proclaimed feminist or two, though my life, and they still seemed abit nuts with all the girl power & man hateing.

I havnt been to any conventions or the like for feminists, and dont plan on either.

 

So my experiances have been differnt than yours.

To me feminism is more about hateing men, than wanting equal rights for women.



Areym said:
Feminist are fine, feminazis are evil, that's how it goes.

Just a personal opinion but calling anybody at Feminist Frequency is a stretch. I can't stand Anita and her posse. They have this 'everybody is out to get me' mentality when the general public really doesn't care for her input...except for me in this post, apparently.

I remember those days.