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Turkish said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Wanna make claims like that? Then expect people to ask for indisputable evidence. This is me asking for that evidence by the way...

Really, you have to ask that? What brought people together thousands of years ago? Religion. Without it you'd probably still be hunting animals.

Religion also forced certain people to leave Europe for America.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Turkish said:

Really, you have to ask that? What brought people together thousands of years ago? Religion. Without it you'd probably still be hunting animals.

Of course I have to ask. For one thing people were already together when they were hunter-gatherers. They weren't just going off by themselves hunting, they were in tribes and the like. Then when they learnt to construct buildings and farms and didn't need to move all the time and could stay in one place, that's when they stopped being nomadic and moved forward. So yeah, I'm still wondering what exactly religion had to do with that?

Those tribes were still nomadic.

Religion played a big role in people settle, to come together, create places of worship and eventually cities around them. The oldest cities in the world are known to be religious centers, hell religion played the central role in the rise of the oldest civilizations like Egypt and Babylon.

When you study history you learn all of that.

It sucks for some fedoras to learn that religion got us where we are today but facts are facts.



theprof00 said:
jason1637 said:
Religion has played a big part in history so it makes sense to go over such topics. Also the dominant religion is Christianity (75% of Americans)

It's kind of misleading to call anything biblical Christian.

There is a very big difference between Christian and Catholic. True Christian is only like 25-40% in usa

Source: I was raised Catholic. I don't believe in any religion, but Catholic is very different, especially for what I'd call idolatry.

I thought Catholics followed the teachings of Christ, therefore they were "Christians". 

Probably, you meant to say "There is a very big difference between Protestants and Catholics" which both are Christians.



Islam blocked technological and scientific development in the middle east wich was a world power back in the day for centuries and led it to it's downfall.

This is a death sentence to the US if it happens. But i'm sure it won't. even if some president now were to do it, surely the next will change it, because it's the worst idea possible.



Nem said:
Islam blocked technological and scientific development in the middle east wich was a world power back in the day for centuries and led it to it's downfall.

This is a death sentence to the US if it happens. But i'm sure it won't. even if some president now were to do it, surely the next will change it, because it's the worst idea possible.

Most ignorant post on vgchartz today, congrats!

Without Islam you would probably still be living in the medieval ages. Islam has contributed so much to science and growth of humanity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Please educate yourself bruh. I just detest when ignorant people who never studied the material they're talking about have to give their 2 cents.



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Nem said:
Islam blocked technological and scientific development in the middle east wich was a world power back in the day for centuries and led it to it's downfall.

This is a death sentence to the US if it happens. But i'm sure it won't. even if some president now were to do it, surely the next will change it, because it's the worst idea possible.

I agree.

Like Christianity hampered the development of science in Europe and helped destroy the rest of the world in the name of salvation.

Anything dogmatic is a threat to freethinking, which is central to progress.



Ka-pi96 said:
Turkish said:

Those tribes were still nomadic.

Religion played a big role in people settle, to come together, create places of worship and eventually cities around them. The oldest cities in the world are known to be religious centers, hell religion played the central role in the rise of the oldest civilizations like Egypt and Babylon.

When you study history you learn all of that.

It sucks for some fedoras to learn that religion got us where we are today but facts are facts.

I never said the tribes weren't nomadic. You said religion brought people together and I was refuting that by saying people coalesced in to tribes regardless of religion.

Wanna provide some proof of that maybe? Proof that religion is the reason people settled rather than because of agriculture and easy access to a water source? Proof that religion even came before people settled rather than after even? Don't know much about Babylon but for Egypt I'd argue the central role in their rise was the fertile agricultural lands around the Nile.

Also, wtf is a fedora? And you can say facts are facts all you like, but you haven't actually given any facts yet. You've just given your opinions, and when I've asked you to provide some evidence to back your claims up... nada.

Proof is in history my man, also in books.

Religion played a huge part in the advancement of humanity, in the old world and especially Europe, city centers are built around churches, check out urban history. Also becuz of religion, people had to come together and built walls to protect their cities, or create weapons to siege them.

You still hunting animals was just me joking lol.



Ka-pi96 said:
Turkish said:

Those tribes were still nomadic.

Religion played a big role in people settle, to come together, create places of worship and eventually cities around them. The oldest cities in the world are known to be religious centers, hell religion played the central role in the rise of the oldest civilizations like Egypt and Babylon.

When you study history you learn all of that.

It sucks for some fedoras to learn that religion got us where we are today but facts are facts.

I never said the tribes weren't nomadic. You said religion brought people together and I was refuting that by saying people coalesced in to tribes regardless of religion.

Wanna provide some proof of that maybe? Proof that religion is the reason people settled rather than because of agriculture and easy access to a water source? Proof that religion even came before people settled rather than after even? Don't know much about Babylon but for Egypt I'd argue the central role in their rise was the fertile agricultural lands around the Nile.

Also, wtf is a fedora? And you can say facts are facts all you like, but you haven't actually given any facts yet. You've just given your opinions, and when I've asked you to provide some evidence to back your claims up... nada.

Early rulers (god-kings) used religion (nothing concrete, just fragments of beliefs) to justify their position, which was necessary to keep order.

 

People thinking rationaly would have brought revolt.

 

In a democratic society, it's no longer necessary, as there are legitimate reasons for a ruler's power.



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Learning about religions is as fine as any philosophy, history, sociology/cultural/ideological studies, or political studies class. There's no issues here.

Academic studies of the arts should never be censored because some atheistic missionary has his panties in a bunch.



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Ka-pi96 said:
palou said:

Early rulers (god-kings) used religion (nothing concrete, just fragments of beliefs) to justify their position, which was necessary to keep order.

 

People thinking rationaly would have brought revolt.

 

In a democratic society, it's no longer necessary, as there are legitimate reasons for a ruler's power.

None of that backs up the theory that religion is the reason people settled down rather than remained nomadic though.

If anything it could be used to argue that religion held society back though and that without it people would have had transitioned to a democratic society much sooner...

Not necessarily the settlement itself, but helping cities and empires grow. Justify war, slavery, taxes without service or representation, etc... all things necessary for early civilizations to expand and "prosper" (by that, I mean cummulate wealth for a handfull of elites.)



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