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LivingMetal said:
method114 said:

No I'm saying that we've been losing this drug war for a long time it's time to try something new. Protrugal has had great results for over ten years it's time we try instead of continueing to imprison are population to record breaking numbers.

 

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/&refURL=https://www.forbes.com/&referrer=https://www.forbes.com/

We're better off trying something old that been ignored by many, and that's the family structure I mentioned in another post. Strong families build strong communities.  You address and tackle the problems of the heart and the role-models, and you prevent the issue we're talking about.

So simplistic. How do you build a "family structure" via laws? Obviously the family has failed which is why the gangs are so successful at recruiting to begin with.



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Pristine20 said:
LivingMetal said:

We're better off trying something old that been ignored by many, and that's the family structure I mentioned in another post. Strong families build strong communities.  You address and tackle the problems of the heart and the role-models, and you prevent the issue we're talking about.

So simplistic. How do you build a "family structure" via laws? Obviously the family has failed which is why the gangs are so successful at recruiting to begin with.

I wasn't referring to laws because laws don't dictate morales.  The famliy has not failed.  It's the individual family members themselves that are to blame.   You don't blame and get rid of all law makers when you have bad laws and/or a few law makers are not doing their job.  It's the same when it comes to families.  When you are taught that you are special and all life is precious, you pass that down to those around you.  And there's nothing simple about it because it takes a lot of heart more than laws can ever provide.  I don't need laws to dictate to me how to live and believe in what's right.



LivingMetal said:
method114 said:

No I'm saying that we've been losing this drug war for a long time it's time to try something new. Protrugal has had great results for over ten years it's time we try instead of continueing to imprison are population to record breaking numbers.

 

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/&refURL=https://www.forbes.com/&referrer=https://www.forbes.com/

We're better off trying something old that been ignored by many, and that's the family structure I mentioned in another post. Strong families build strong communities.  You address and tackle the problems of the heart and the role-models, and you prevent the issue we're talking about.

That would also help but what I've suggested has been done and proven to work. On top of that the ground work has already been laid out for us so we just need to copy and implement the same thing here. Then we can start working on building famalies. You can't build famalies if your throwing dads in jail for smoking weed or catching them with a little bit of cocaine. Then making it harder for them to get normal jobs. 

 

On top of that do you know how hard it is for drug addicts to get help when it comes to rehab? I know a girl who recognized she was an addict and wanted help. She got lucky cause she was on her dad's healthcare plan and was able to use it to get admitted to a rehab facality with everything paid for her. Without that she'd have nothing she'd have to continue to hang around and be around the same people who were telling her not to go to rehab and to stay. I was 1 of 2 people urging her to go. If we stop fighting the war on drugs and redirect that money towards free treatment facalities we could help so many people.



rjason12 said:
So which angle are you going for? That the wars there are pointless or that Americans are worse than the so-called "terrorists". If anything, this is just shedding a very negative light on Chicago.

It makes me wonder how many died in Detroit, MI the "murder capitol" of the US.



method114 said:
LivingMetal said:

We're better off trying something old that been ignored by many, and that's the family structure I mentioned in another post. Strong families build strong communities.  You address and tackle the problems of the heart and the role-models, and you prevent the issue we're talking about.

That would also help but what I've suggested has been done and proven to work. On top of that the ground work has already been laid out for us so we just need to copy and implement the same thing here. Then we can start working on building famalies. You can't build famalies if your throwing dads in jail for smoking weed or catching them with a little bit of cocaine. Then making it harder for them to get normal jobs. 

 

On top of that do you know how hard it is for drug addicts to get help when it comes to rehab? I know a girl who recognized she was an addict and wanted help. She got lucky cause she was on her dad's healthcare plan and was able to use it to get admitted to a rehab facality with everything paid for her. Without that she'd have nothing she'd have to continue to hang around and be around the same people who were telling her not to go to rehab and to stay. I was 1 of 2 people urging her to go. If we stop fighting the war on drugs and redirect that money towards free treatment facalities we could help so many people.

Let me clarify that I agree with the spirit of the article you posted.  So thank you for your clarification.  Now, I believe prisons were made for punishment.  That doesn't mean a person cannot be rehabilitated through prison which is another issue in itself.  But what I am saying is that when you have a support group for those who have problems whether it substance abuse , sexual addiction, or whatever, it serves as an avenue to possibly address the real problem.  With that being said, the family is that preventive support group provided that the members are supportive to begin with.  I raise my daughter to do good regardless of how imperfect I am.  Hopefully, she'll learn from my successes and mistakes so she can be better than me in turn better to others.  And if she goes "astray" for whatever reasons, there are support group to help her get back on track.  So long story short, I think I understand where you are coming from now that you're explained yourself further. 



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crissindahouse said:
With around 16000 homicides a year in USA and a crazy amount in some cities, I'm always surprised to read about the dangerous state Germany is in right now according to some American politicians and "reporters"

Germany and sweden and also Uk and france its all sort of stupid and the world makes fun of USA for that. In fact I read somewhere that gun death rate in USA i.e per 100000 per year is close to or a little higher or lower than countries like Pakistan. A country where the borders are next to Afghanistan and not secured plus its easy to get illegal weapons plus all the terrorists gun shooting going on. Also a country than will reach 70 years this year compared to USA's 250+ history. I don't know if the report is true and it might not be, but if it is then its a whole hell of a lot screwed up since in Pakistan it might be harder to get a legal weapon compared to USA which is stupid



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JWeinCom said:
Well of course more people died in Chicago than Iraq and Afghanistan. Chicago is a city of millions. Unless they found the fountain of youth or something, more than a few thousand were going to die in the course of a decade. Duh.

This is the answer to your stupid statement:

LadyJasmine said:

Yeah in Canada,Chicago would have the army sent in by now lol

 

Toronto a similar size city had 70 murders

Also Afghanistan and Iraq are worn torn countries. You know death in every corner bombs and suicide attacks battles and all that



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numberwang said:

More Americans died in Chicago  than in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars combined (for the same time frame)

This only includes American citizens (many more died in the wars overall), on the other hand Chicago ist just a single city, not two countries at war. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKp8OV6F64

[in the video 1:50]

 

You are the President now - what will you do?

Trump must be doing something, as shootings and murder for the 1st 2 months of this year are down compaired to the same time period last year.                                                

According to the most up-to-date Chicago Police Department data for 2017, there have been 94 murders between the start of the year and the end of February 2017.

This is fewer than the 98 recorded in the same time period in 2016.

In the first two month of 2017 there have been 399 shooting incidents, also a slight fall on the 404 recorded in the same period in 2016.



Eagle367 said:
JWeinCom said:
Well of course more people died in Chicago than Iraq and Afghanistan. Chicago is a city of millions. Unless they found the fountain of youth or something, more than a few thousand were going to die in the course of a decade. Duh.

 

Stupid?  So... you are suggesting that we should expect more Americans to die in Afghanistan and Iraq than Chicago?  The population of US citizens in those countries was like 200,000 at its peak.  And those were mostly young men in good physical shape, that weren't likely to die.

On the contrary, Chicago has over 2 million people.  I'm assuming age distribution is fairly typical, so we'd expect a lot of elderly and infants who are at an increased risk of dying.  If only half of one percent of the people of Chicago die per year, then we would still expect the number of deaths in Chicago to exceed the  American death toll of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Just basic math man.



JWeinCom said:
Eagle367 said:

 

Stupid?  So... you are suggesting that we should expect more Americans to die in Afghanistan and Iraq than Chicago?  The population of US citizens in those countries was like 200,000 at its peak.  And those were mostly young men in good physical shape, that weren't likely to die.

On the contrary, Chicago has over 2 million people.  I'm assuming age distribution is fairly typical, so we'd expect a lot of elderly and infants who are at an increased risk of dying.  If only half of one percent of the people of Chicago die per year, then we would still expect the number of deaths in Chicago to exceed the  American death toll of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Just basic math man.

The title is a little misleading. It's not death rate its murder rate that means age is not of relevence. The old and young dying due to illnesses and other natural causes  and accidents are not part of the figures so that argument is gone. So more Chicagoans are have been killed than in Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined is the true story here



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