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Eagle367 on 02 March 2017
crissindahouse said:
With around 16000 homicides a year in USA and a crazy amount in some cities, I'm always surprised to read about the dangerous state Germany is in right now according to some American politicians and "reporters"

Germany and sweden and also Uk and france its all sort of stupid and the world makes fun of USA for that. In fact I read somewhere that gun death rate in USA i.e per 100000 per year is close to or a little higher or lower than countries like Pakistan. A country where the borders are next to Afghanistan and not secured plus its easy to get illegal weapons plus all the terrorists gun shooting going on. Also a country than will reach 70 years this year compared to USA's 250+ history. I don't know if the report is true and it might not be, but if it is then its a whole hell of a lot screwed up since in Pakistan it might be harder to get a legal weapon compared to USA which is stupid



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Eagle367 on 02 March 2017
JWeinCom said:
Well of course more people died in Chicago than Iraq and Afghanistan. Chicago is a city of millions. Unless they found the fountain of youth or something, more than a few thousand were going to die in the course of a decade. Duh.

This is the answer to your stupid statement:

LadyJasmine said:

Yeah in Canada,Chicago would have the army sent in by now lol

 

Toronto a similar size city had 70 murders

Also Afghanistan and Iraq are worn torn countries. You know death in every corner bombs and suicide attacks battles and all that



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markodeniro on 02 March 2017
numberwang said:

More Americans died in Chicago  than in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars combined (for the same time frame)

This only includes American citizens (many more died in the wars overall), on the other hand Chicago ist just a single city, not two countries at war. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKp8OV6F64

[in the video 1:50]

 

You are the President now - what will you do?

Trump must be doing something, as shootings and murder for the 1st 2 months of this year are down compaired to the same time period last year.                                                

According to the most up-to-date Chicago Police Department data for 2017, there have been 94 murders between the start of the year and the end of February 2017.

This is fewer than the 98 recorded in the same time period in 2016.

In the first two month of 2017 there have been 399 shooting incidents, also a slight fall on the 404 recorded in the same period in 2016.



JWeinCom on 02 March 2017
Eagle367 said:
JWeinCom said:
Well of course more people died in Chicago than Iraq and Afghanistan. Chicago is a city of millions. Unless they found the fountain of youth or something, more than a few thousand were going to die in the course of a decade. Duh.

 

Stupid?  So... you are suggesting that we should expect more Americans to die in Afghanistan and Iraq than Chicago?  The population of US citizens in those countries was like 200,000 at its peak.  And those were mostly young men in good physical shape, that weren't likely to die.

On the contrary, Chicago has over 2 million people.  I'm assuming age distribution is fairly typical, so we'd expect a lot of elderly and infants who are at an increased risk of dying.  If only half of one percent of the people of Chicago die per year, then we would still expect the number of deaths in Chicago to exceed the  American death toll of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Just basic math man.



Eagle367 on 02 March 2017
JWeinCom said:
Eagle367 said:

 

Stupid?  So... you are suggesting that we should expect more Americans to die in Afghanistan and Iraq than Chicago?  The population of US citizens in those countries was like 200,000 at its peak.  And those were mostly young men in good physical shape, that weren't likely to die.

On the contrary, Chicago has over 2 million people.  I'm assuming age distribution is fairly typical, so we'd expect a lot of elderly and infants who are at an increased risk of dying.  If only half of one percent of the people of Chicago die per year, then we would still expect the number of deaths in Chicago to exceed the  American death toll of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Just basic math man.

The title is a little misleading. It's not death rate its murder rate that means age is not of relevence. The old and young dying due to illnesses and other natural causes  and accidents are not part of the figures so that argument is gone. So more Chicagoans are have been killed than in Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined is the true story here



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JWeinCom on 02 March 2017
Eagle367 said:
JWeinCom said:

Stupid?  So... you are suggesting that we should expect more Americans to die in Afghanistan and Iraq than Chicago?  The population of US citizens in those countries was like 200,000 at its peak.  And those were mostly young men in good physical shape, that weren't likely to die.

On the contrary, Chicago has over 2 million people.  I'm assuming age distribution is fairly typical, so we'd expect a lot of elderly and infants who are at an increased risk of dying.  If only half of one percent of the people of Chicago die per year, then we would still expect the number of deaths in Chicago to exceed the  American death toll of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Just basic math man.

The title is a little misleading. It's not death rate its murder rate that means age is not of relevence. The old and young dying due to illnesses and other natural causes  and accidents are not part of the figures so that argument is gone. So more Chicagoans are have been killed than in Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined is the true story here

Yeah, that was my point.  That the title was dumb.



LadyJasmine on 02 March 2017

The point is if it was mostly white people being killed it be Martial law by now



numberwang on 03 March 2017

Is the Ferguson effect the cause of crime spike (based on the false narrative arround 'hands up don't shoot' and the following retreat of the police from the inner cities).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/15/ferguson-effect-homicide-rates-us-crime-study

 

There are surprisingly few Police shootings in Chicago compared to the overall violence and the numbers are declining in 2016

2016: 11 shoot&killed by police
2011: 23 shoot&killed by police

http://heyjackass.com/2016-police-involved-shootings/

 



outlawauron on 06 March 2017
think-man said:
Get rid of guns and crimes will drop ten fold.

Chicago has some of the strongest gun control laws in the US. If anything, it shows how strong gun control fails in the US.



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Teeqoz on 06 March 2017
sc94597 said:

End drug prohibition, destroying the drug cartels which fuel gang warfare then Chicago and the rest of the U.S will find the homicide rate likely halved. There is no need to ban guns. That is as effective as banning drugs. Vermont and New Hampshire have the most liberal (as in free) gun laws in the country, but the lowest homicide rates and violent crime overall. I wonder why. 

Regulating gun ownership isn't the same as banning guns, and correlation is not the same as causation. I could say "Norway has very strict laws when it comes to owning guns, yet our murder and crime rates are way lower than in the US." and that would in the same way not prove that strict gun laws means less crime.